About Kitsune?

[droggen]

I'm not very knowledgeable about the races of Pathfinder but I'm sure this is the Cat like race hybrid correct? If so I was wondering from watching other people play the game that you can use disguise as this race, So does the disguise have any narrative effect on the story or characters around you at all or will companions and other world NPC just know you're a Kitsune no matter what?

A question for people playing the Beta already of course.

[Athloner]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

Originally posted by Darx:

how? the people who voted for rats just want to have sex with rats. or have weird fantasies about that. what could those kitsune voters have done worse?

The people who voted for rats were also the people who would have voted for goblin if it was available. They would have voted for ANY monsterous race. the people who voted for Kitsune i view as Weeb and Furry. id have voted for Lizardfolk as playable if available.
Plus Kitsune give me the "im the main character" "Look at me i have inharent magic" vibe and i hate that. Baring anything drastic im going to be playing Worm that Walks on my first playthrough and when possible i will kill the Kitsune companion out of spite

This is my case, i want play with an epic monster race like a toxic rat, a greedy goblin or bloody lizard, not a zootopia cute kawai disney family friendly race...

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Athloner:

This is my case, i want play with an epic monster race like a toxic rat, a greedy goblin or bloody lizard, not a zootopia cute kawai disney family friendly race...

You've got 3 different flavors of Kitsune in WotR, depending on your face selection.

1-3 = typical fox folk faces.

4-6 = seductive fox folk faces

7-9 = monstrous fox folk faces

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

The people who voted for rats were also the people who would have voted for goblin if it was available. They would have voted for ANY monsterous race. the people who voted for Kitsune i view as Weeb and Furry. id have voted for Lizardfolk as playable if available.
Plus Kitsune give me the "im the main character" "Look at me i have inharent magic" vibe and i hate that. Baring anything drastic im going to be playing Worm that Walks on my first playthrough and when possible i will kill the Kitsune companion out of spite

Goblins shouldn't be something you would have to vote on. They're a core race in 2nd edition player's handbook.

Plus, the term "trickster" is practically synonymous with kitsune mythology. So if you ever feel like going the Trickster path, a kitsune would be a fine option for your race.

[Darx]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

Originally posted by Darx:

how? the people who voted for rats just want to have sex with rats. or have weird fantasies about that. what could those kitsune voters have done worse?

The people who voted for rats were also the people who would have voted for goblin if it was available. They would have voted for ANY monsterous race. the people who voted for Kitsune i view as Weeb and Furry. id have voted for Lizardfolk as playable if available.
Plus Kitsune give me the "im the main character" "Look at me i have inharent magic" vibe and i hate that. Baring anything drastic im going to be playing Worm that Walks on my first playthrough and when possible i will kill the Kitsune companion out of spite

i dont know man. i was reading about those rat voters and they seem to attracted to rats. same with lizard lovers. they all are furries.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Darx:

i dont know man. i was reading about those rat voters and they seem to attracted to rats. same with lizard lovers

Gee, I wonder why?

https://youtu.be/P6sGOGuiki4

[Immortal Reaver]

I would have voted Rats if their swarming racial trait was 100% confirmed together with 100% confirmed melee rat companion to be able to use it.

[CDI Mario]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Athloner:

This is my case, i want play with an epic monster race like a toxic rat, a greedy goblin or bloody lizard, not a zootopia cute kawai disney family friendly race...

You've got 3 different flavors of Kitsune in WotR, depending on your face selection.

1-3 = typical fox folk faces.

4-6 = seductive fox folk faces

7-9 = monstrous fox folk faces

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

The people who voted for rats were also the people who would have voted for goblin if it was available. They would have voted for ANY monsterous race. the people who voted for Kitsune i view as Weeb and Furry. id have voted for Lizardfolk as playable if available.
Plus Kitsune give me the "im the main character" "Look at me i have inharent magic" vibe and i hate that. Baring anything drastic im going to be playing Worm that Walks on my first playthrough and when possible i will kill the Kitsune companion out of spite

Goblins shouldn't be something you would have to vote on. They're a core race in 2nd edition player's handbook.

Plus, the term "trickster" is practically synonymous with kitsune mythology. So if you ever feel like going the Trickster path, a kitsune would be a fine option for your race.

i said nothing of trickster, If im going trickster its going to be a Gnome. not a furry. No im going Worm that Walks.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

i said nothing of trickster, If im going trickster its going to be a Gnome. not a furry. No im going Worm that Walks.

So, you only intend to play the game once, then never touch it again?

Also, if your only reason for hating Kitsune is because its an anthropomorphic animal, you should know they have an ability that allows them to assume a human disguise.

Meaning you can pick Kitsune, gain their racial abilities, and still make your character look human throughout the game.

[CDI Mario]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

i said nothing of trickster, If im going trickster its going to be a Gnome. not a furry. No im going Worm that Walks.

So, you only intend to play the game once, then never touch it again?

Also, if your only reason for hating Kitsune is because its an anthropomorphic animal, you should know they have an ability that allows them to assume a human disguise.

Meaning you can pick Kitsune, gain their racial abilities, and still make your character look human throughout the game.

My reason to hate them are 2 fold. 1 Furry, doesn't matter if they have a disguise. 2 Stole rat race. If i do go Trickster, What race of Small first world people who have a penchant of being tricksters would i go with. HMMM. Like i said in the post you quoted. Thats not even going to be my second play through, second is Devil or if im tired of being evil il pick Aeon or a good themed one. third is legend because why not. Then if im not completely burned out, Only then will i check out paths that didnt really interest me like lich or Trickster. Hell my first 2 races are probably going to be Dhampir or Rock man.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

My reason to hate them are 2 fold. 1 Furry, doesnt matter if they have a disguise. 2 Stole rat race. If i do go Trickster, What race of Small first world people who have a penchant of being tricksters would i go with. HMMM. Thats not even going to be my second playthrough second is Devil or if im tired of being evil il pick Aeon or a good themed one.

It doesn't matter if Kitsune, Ratfolk or Catfolk won the vote, all three of them are anthropomorphic animals. So regardless of the outcome, you'd be stuck with a furry race. If you think furries are nothing but foxes, you must not have anything more than an extremely bare bones knowledge of the community.

My second playthrough is going to be Lich, because I've always wanted the opportunity to play one before. But my first playthrough is gonna be a Demon. Planning to make a Kitsune worshiper of Lamashtu.

[CDI Mario]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

My reason to hate them are 2 fold. 1 Furry, doesnt matter if they have a disguise. 2 Stole rat race. If i do go Trickster, What race of Small first world people who have a penchant of being tricksters would i go with. HMMM. Thats not even going to be my second playthrough second is Devil or if im tired of being evil il pick Aeon or a good themed one.

It doesn't matter if Kitsune, Ratfolk or Catfolk won the vote, all three of them are anthropomorphic animals. So regardless of the outcome, you'd be stuck with a furry race. If you think furries are nothing but foxes, you must not have anything more than an extremely bare bones knowledge of the community.

My second playthrough is going to be Lich, because I've always wanted the opportunity to play one before. But my first playthrough is gonna be a Demon. Planning to make a Kitsune worshiper of Lamashtu.

The furry part is a downside, But let me put it this way. Cats, Most people like cats. Kitsune, they weeb and can pretend to be human. Ratfolk? They are ♥♥♥♥♥♥, No one likes rats. They would get heavy discrimination and THAT IS FUN TO DEFY. Theres a reason i loved playing elf in dragon age origins. Being considered lesser and proving everyone wrong is FUN. Thats what monstrous races are on a good playthrough. You didnt expect the rat man to be blessed by a ANGEL now DID YOU. Better yet a GOLD DRAGON. thats why i like goblins too, liked Nok Nok alot, favorite character
Understand what im saying? Defying expectations is great story telling. Being able to play as a race that in game most people have extremely low expectations for would work with that perfectly

[CDI Mario]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

It doesn't matter if Kitsune, Ratfolk or Catfolk won the vote, all three of them are anthropomorphic animals. So regardless of the outcome, you'd be stuck with a furry race. If you think furries are nothing but foxes, you must not have anything more than an extremely bare bones knowledge of the community.

My second playthrough is going to be Lich, because I've always wanted the opportunity to play one before. But my first playthrough is gonna be a Demon. Planning to make a Kitsune worshiper of Lamashtu.

The furry part is a downside, But let me put it this way. Cats, Most people like cats. Kitsune, they weeb and can pretend to be human. Ratfolk? They are ♥♥♥♥♥♥, No one likes rats. They would get heavy discrimination and THAT IS FUN TO DEFY. Theres a reason i loved playing elf in dragon age origins. Being considered lesser and proving everyone wrong is FUN. Thats what monstrous races are on a good playthrough. You didnt expect the rat man to be blessed by a ANGEL now DID YOU. Better yet a GOLD DRAGON. thats why i like goblins too, liked Nok Nok alot, favorite character
Understand what im saying? Defying expectations is great story telling. Being able to play as a race that in game most people have extremely low expectations for would work with that perfectly

I now realise im fighting to play a new version of NokNok in WotR

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

Ratfolk? They are ♥♥♥♥♥♥, No one likes rats. They would get heavy discrimination and THAT IS FUN TO DEFY.

Do you mean in Pathfinder lore? Because I'll agree the discrimination towards them in game would be fun to explore. But then again, you should be able to do that with Tieflings, Dhampir and possibly even Half Orcs, too.

One of the stretch goals was enhanced reactivity being added to the game. And from what I've seen of Beta Phase 2, they added in content that specifically references your character's class, race and religion. If you're a Tiefling, for example, people are supposed to question your motivations as to why the commander would choose to fight against the demons, rather than join them.

[CDI Mario]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

Ratfolk? They are ♥♥♥♥♥♥, No one likes rats. They would get heavy discrimination and THAT IS FUN TO DEFY.

Do you mean in Pathfinder lore? Because I'll agree the discrimination towards them in game would be fun to explore. But then again, you should be able to do that with Tieflings, Dhampir and possibly even Half Orcs, too.

One of the stretch goals was enhanced reactivity being added to the game. And from what I've seen of Beta Phase 2, they added in content that specifically references your character's class, race and religion. If you're a Tiefling, for example, people are supposed to question your motivations as to why the commander would choose to fight against the demons, rather than join them.

il be honest i know little of Pathfinder demons daemons and devils but i know a bit of dnd. arnt Devils suppose to hate demons?

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

il be honest i know little of Pathfinder demons daemons and devils but i know a bit of dnd. arnt Devils suppose to hate demons?

Oooooh yes. both of them are undeniably evil. But it's the motives of that evil which is the source of the conflict between them.

Demons are the physical embodiment of Chaotic Evil, and pretty much want to indulge their primal urges and wicked desires without any regard for the suffering of those around them. Officially speaking, they have no formally recognized hierarchy. But the more powerful demons have a tendency to bully the weaker ones into submission. Demon Lords are those among them who are powerful enough to establish their own realm of influence.

Devils are the physical embodiment of Lawful Evil, and pretty much want to enslave the entire universe. They have a strict hierarchy system that functions as both a social bureaucracy, and military organization. With Asmodeus sitting at the very top of the pecking order.

Daemons are the physical embodiment of Neutral Evil, and pretty much just want to kill the entire universe. I don't know if they have any form of hierarchy, but I do know that they answer to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

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While the current version of D&D has pretty much assumed that all Tieflings come from Devil stock (nine sub-races, each of which from an Arch Devil), Pathfinder seems to have gone with the idea that Tieflings can come from a wide range of different fiends and evil outsiders.

The ones which are available in Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous includes the following:

Beastbrood (Rakshasa)

Faultspawn (Asura)

Grimspawn (Daemon)

Pitborn (Demon)

Hellspawn (Devil)

Motherless (Qlippoth)

Foulspawn (Demodand)

Shackleborn (Kyton)

Hungerseed (Oni)

Spitespawn (Div)

And just in case you're curious... the answer is YES, the Beastbrood are, in fact, a furry Tiefling in the tabletop version of the game.

[CDI Mario]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

il be honest i know little of Pathfinder demons daemons and devils but i know a bit of dnd. arnt Devils suppose to hate demons?

Oooooh yes. both of them are undeniably evil. But it's the motives of that evil which is the source of the conflict between them.

Demons are the physical embodiment of Chaotic Evil, and pretty much want to indulge their primal urges and wicked desires without any regard for the suffering of those around them. Officially speaking, they have no formally recognized hierarchy. But the more powerful demons have a tendency to bully the weaker ones into submission. Demon Lords are those among them who are powerful enough to establish their own realm of influence.

Devils are the physical embodiment of Lawful Evil, and pretty much want to enslave the entire universe. They have a strict hierarchy system that functions as both a social bureaucracy, and military organization. With Asmodeus sitting at the very top of the pecking order.

Daemons are the physical embodiment of Neutral Evil, and pretty much just want to kill the entire universe. I don't know if they have any form of hierarchy, but I do know that they answer to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

-------------------------

While the current version of D&D has pretty much assumed that all Tieflings come from Devil stock (nine sub-races, each of which from an Arch Devil), Pathfinder seems to have gone with the idea that Tieflings can come from a wide range of different fiends and evil outsiders.

The ones which are available in Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous includes the following:

Beastbrood (Rakshasa)

Faultspawn (Asura)

Grimspawn (Daemon)

Pitborn (Demon)

Hellspawn (Devil)

Motherless (Qlippoth)

Foulspawn (Demodand)

Shackleborn (Kyton)

Hungerseed (Oni)

Spitespawn (Div)

And just in case you're curious... the answer is YES, the Beastbrood are, in fact, a furry Tiefling in the tabletop version of the game.

So Teiflings arnt devil specific, In fact they are basically Mixed race. if orcs were outsiders (once again idk pathfinder but in dnd they technically are because they stole that plot from Warcraft) then a Half orc would be a teifling too?
Edit. small bit of research. Pathfinder orcs come from the "Darkland" which is basically the Underdark. so they arnt technically teiflings unless theres something im missing, Maybe Rakshasa are native to the world or something in which it would open the gate for half orcs to be teiflings

I for a fact know Gnomes do not originate from the world so would their offspring with human parents be teiflings? since they originate from the "First World". Does it have to be of a higher power maybe?

Wait that means Aesamar are teiflings too. is the cutoff alignment? is there a Neutral race? wait is the neutral race the elemental races like the Oread