play kingmaker first or jump right to this one?

[rkkn]

note that in the latter choice I'd just be skipping kingmaker entirely, as I've got no shortage of games in the backlog

[PainkillerDCXVI]

Both are great games. I'd say go for Kingmaker, iirc there's well, fewer skills and mechanics to learn lol

[Star Sage]

Skip to this one. It's the better game, it improves on EVERYTHING Kingmaker did, and has a much more interesting story(IMO). It's easier to play in general, as you power up sooner, and the lack of randomness in the secondary game mode(Kingdom Management in Kingmaker, Crusade Mode in Wrath), helps to make this one the more even experience. It also offers a wealth of options for a good story, including the Mythic Paths that add not only gameplay variety to a playthru on top of class and build, but can substantially change your playthru's tone and events.

Nothing in the two games is storyline wise overlap. 3 NPCs, and one companion appear in this one, only one in an extensive role(The Storyteller), and it does include 5 callbacks, but none that are meaningful for the most part, just, 'hey cool, that happened' kind of stuff. One of them is even a call FORWARD to Pathfinder Second edition, as it references events that will have been going to happen in that...yes that tense is correct.

[mna99]

We just had this thread on the front page of the forum:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1184370/discussions/0/3761102779882806224/

It might help.

[Schlumpsha]

Kingmaker is closer to a classic, down to Earth fantasy game. The game locations are rich in nature and thus provide plenty of fey encounters. You start out as an unimportant nobody and slowly proceed into the ranks of nobility. And then finally royalty. Mechanically the game offers less races, classes, archetypes and a tad less advanced graphics. This make it the easier entry choice for those who are unfamiliar with Pathfinder 1st edition.

WotR is very dissimilar to Kingmaker. You are special from the start, battle through hordes of demons while spearheading a crusade in an post-apocalyptic wasteland. Owlcat jammed lots of new mechanical additions into their second game compared to Kingmaker: more races, classes, archetypes, mounted combat, mythic paths to become a legendary creature yourself, actual army battles (with enforced turn based combat), ect. As a result new players tend to become easily overwhelmed by the sheer amount of choices provided.

TL:DR both games hit very different spots. Yet I highly recommend to play both precisely because of that. Getting through Kingmaker first, then tackling WotR later on is pretty satisfying.

[rkkn]

Originally posted by mna99:

We just had this thread on the front page of the forum:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1184370/discussions/0/3761102779882806224/

It might help.

I did see that, but it's geared towards what's best for a beginner, with difficulty concerns being prominent, so I didn't think it relevant, as I'm not at all bothered by strategic-type difficulty in games in general

[Zuloph]

I say go for Kingmaker first just because it may be harder to go back to after you play this.

[Rizilliant]

Im finding WotR to be more extreme in the negatives I had with Kingmaker. I really love the style of game to death, but its implementation leaves me beyond infuriated, much of the time.. Feeling like I need to play in hindsight, or with a guide. We used to frown on save scum, but Pathfinder relies on it.

[GrandMajora]

There are a few easter eggs tying back to Kingmaker, but nothing you absolutely need to play the game for to enjoy WotR.

I just recently went back to play Kingmaker after having not touched it for a couple years, and I've got to say that I forgot how much WotR massively improved since the last game.

Kingmaker doesn't even have the option to rotate the camera, without installing a mod to do so. And even after all this time since its release, it still has a visual glitch that saturates the colors and overlays models if your inventory starts to get too full. The only way I know to fix it, is to relaunch the game; and the only preventative measure I know of is to keep your inventory light. Sell off all those potions and scrolls the game keeps tossing your way, as they're only taking up space.

[Dr Snooze]

Originally posted by Zuloph:

I say go for Kingmaker first just because it may be harder to go back to after you play this.

Agree with this. If you're going to play both (which I recommend), you should play Kingmaker first. Otherwise it will feel like a letdown when you lose some of the new additions in Wrath.

[Black Hammer]

I'm still of the opinion Kingmaker is in many ways a better game, not the least because it's better balanced.

[rkkn]

Originally posted by Zuloph:

I say go for Kingmaker first just because it may be harder to go back to after you play this.

well, as stated at the top, if I play this first I'm not playing kingmaker at all, so that won't be an issue

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so from what I gather, wrath of the righteous is a much better game, so kingmaker gets any easy skip... Except that it sounds like kingmaker has more of that classic fantasy theme, which I do like. making the verdict unclear

[Steffan]

Kingmaker main antagonists are unusual for the genre, which is a good thing in my opinion.

[Stilgars]

I recommend to start with Kingmaker. WOR is not necessarily an improvement in my opinion. After finishing WOR, I actually entirely replayed Kingmaker a second time on Hard, and had a blast.

[Kinoringan]

If you have played other isometric d&d rtwp rpgs like Baldur's gate, Icewind Dale, Neverwinter Nights etc. Kingmaker will feel right at home. It's not difficult and you'll be happy playing with your favourite mc and companion builds. Even if d&d and pathfinder is slightly different. There is no brain wrecking needed.

WoTR difficulty can be through the roof, even on core. With enemies having high saves/spell resistance and whatnot. Your usual sword and board build that works in other d&d rpgs might not work here. The game is difficult, but not impossible. But you will have to adapt or be frustrated.

Being so, WoTR bring something new that Kingmaker doesn't have. It can make Kingmaker feel archaic and old. However, there's not many isometric rtwp rpgs out there, why not start with Kingmaker first and slowly play up to WoTR.

[DavidForums]

I would do KM first. WotR has many many additional leveling mechanics and classes. KM also has a more balanced combat progression system. WotR throws the entire players handbook at you with some additional additions