Why are dragons so stupid and naive?

[Sneebin Bebin]

I was expecting ancient wise sages and I got hippie idiots who think that sparing and even healing demons and baby rapists is morally just.

[JacobTheViking]

Originally posted by Bingas M'dingas:

I was expecting ancient wise sages and I got hippie idiots who think that sparing and even healing demons and baby rapists is morally just.

::Hol Up::
Baby what?

[Brian]

Originally posted by JacobTheViking:

Originally posted by Bingas M'dingas:

I was expecting ancient wise sages and I got hippie idiots who think that sparing and even healing demons and baby rapists is morally just.

::Hol Up::
Baby what?

I mean what do you think happens with demons? They are beings of pure moral corruption. Obviously stuff like that is going on, and much worse. It's why the term "demonic" is being thrown around more and more today regarding Western culture. It's not because people are becoming more religious, it's because it aptly describes moral degeneracy.

[jonoliveira12]

Because "Pathfinder puts 21st century soft morality in a 15th century setting" and other stupid anachronisms,
Hence, hippie dragons, instaed of morally righteous Metallics and brutally oppressive Chromatics.

That is also why the Crusaders have not won, since they have too many softies amongst them, to properly combat Universal Evil.
That is why the Hellknights end up saving the day, because even though they ARE EVIL, they are strong enough to fight and slaughter the demons, without mercy or any real moral thought about it (it really just boils down to either the demons winning and genociding everyone, or the mortals killing them to the last and closing the Worldwound, survival is the greatest morality), like actual Crusaders would.

[Chadwick Strongpants]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Because "Pathfinder puts 21st century soft morality in a 15th century setting" and other stupid anachronisms,
Hence, hippie dragons, instaed of morally righteous Metallics and brutally oppressive Chromatics.

That is also why the Crusaders have not won, since they have too many softies amongst them, to properly combat Universal Evil.
That is why the Hellknights end up saving the day, because even though they ARE EVIL, they are strong enough to fight and slaughter the demons, without mercy or any real moral thought about it (it really just boils down to either the demons winning and genociding everyone, or the mortals killing them to the last and closing the Worldwound, survival is the greatest morality), like actual Crusaders would.

Are we just going to ignore the fact that the crusaders have been fighting demons for almost a century? I'd say they (and the hellknights too) did a pretty good job of it, considering Golarion hadn't been annihilated during all that time.

The only reason they finally managed to bring the fight to the demons was the Commander and his allies gaining mythical powers, which actually gave them a fighting chance.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by Copper Knight:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Because "Pathfinder puts 21st century soft morality in a 15th century setting" and other stupid anachronisms,
Hence, hippie dragons, instaed of morally righteous Metallics and brutally oppressive Chromatics.

That is also why the Crusaders have not won, since they have too many softies amongst them, to properly combat Universal Evil.
That is why the Hellknights end up saving the day, because even though they ARE EVIL, they are strong enough to fight and slaughter the demons, without mercy or any real moral thought about it (it really just boils down to either the demons winning and genociding everyone, or the mortals killing them to the last and closing the Worldwound, survival is the greatest morality), like actual Crusaders would.

Are we just going to ignore the fact that the crusaders have been fighting demons for almost a century? I'd say they (and the hellknights too) did a pretty good job of it, considering Golarion hadn't been annihilated during all that time.

The only reason they finally managed to bring the fight to the demons was the Commander and his allies gaining mythical powers, which actually gave them a fighting chance.

Weaklings!

[Chadwick Strongpants]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Weaklings!

By that logic, so are the hellknights. Neither the crusaders nor them have been particularly successful in repelling the demonic invasion.

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

You're very welcome to try to suplex the Gold Dragon if you wish, should you disagree with his philosophies.

Also if you want to learn about the Crusades, talk to Nurah in Act 2. She provides some pretty great insights into how/why the crusades have lasted as long as they have.

[Matunus]

Because being peaceful and forgiving is a lot easier, if you are a semi-divine being of magic might. When mortals kill an enemy, it is often to ensure their own safety. Dragons are forced into that sort of dilemma far less often.

[Brian]

Originally posted by Super Cosmic Space Magnet:

Also if you want to learn about the Crusades, talk to Nurah in Act 2. She provides some pretty great insights into how/why the crusades have lasted as long as they have.

From what I gather, it has a lot to do with corruption of the "good guys". It's hard to fight a war, or even maintain a coherent civilization, when you're being rotted from the inside. Again, smacks of current day. But this is even worse because there are sleeper agents everywhere. Kind of like the Cylons in Battlestar Galactica.

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

Nah it's more to do with the big Balor being a surprisingly cunning operator, and the Mendevian witch trials. And Galfrey being a spoon. And nobody knowing how to solve the actual Worldwound problem. I mean.. ngl, how are you meant to defeat an enemy that can teleport in endless reinforcements to wherever they want? Regil can talk smack all he likes, he was still just a powerless little boy dying in a cave before you rolled up.

[Dying pancake]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Because "Pathfinder puts 21st century soft morality in a 15th century setting" and other stupid anachronisms,
Hence, hippie dragons, instaed of morally righteous Metallics and brutally oppressive Chromatics.

That is also why the Crusaders have not won, since they have too many softies amongst them, to properly combat Universal Evil.
That is why the Hellknights end up saving the day, because even though they ARE EVIL, they are strong enough to fight and slaughter the demons, without mercy or any real moral thought about it (it really just boils down to either the demons winning and genociding everyone, or the mortals killing them to the last and closing the Worldwound, survival is the greatest morality), like actual Crusaders would.

:P says the men nourished and protected by soften ethic

[blade_125]

Because the game is based on our morality, and not the fantasy that we are playing. It allows you to put yourself in the game. Demons are not real, and most people have far more complex personalities than the 1 dimensional ones seen in villains in games, which makes it easier.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Bingas M'dingas:

I was expecting ancient wise sages and I got hippie idiots who think that sparing and even healing demons and baby rapists is morally just.

If I understand the lore correctly, Gold Dragons are supposed to be the most holy, virtuous and compassionate of the metallic dragons. They are so wise and pure, that the other metallic species look to them for guidance.

Technically speaking, they are supposed to be Lawful Good, but since the Angel already fills the role of being the Lawful Good path, Owlcat changed them to being Neutral Good.

[Schlumpsha]

It's ironic that Owlcat made it the Neutral Good path, considering no metallic dragons whatsoever are of this particular alignment. They are either Lawful Good or Chaotic Good, depending on the color. Even the known evil gold dragons, like Mengkare, stay noticeable on the Lawful Evil side of the spectrum. Making WotR's take on both gold dragon and corrupted gold dragon rather... odd, to say the least.

Angels on the other hand can readily be of any good alignment. So it would lore-wise make more sense to have Angel be the Neutral Good path and Gold Dragon the Lawful Good one instead. As I understand, one of the Angel's branching paths even embrace this.

Then Aeon being the Lawful Neutral path would have been the only glaring issue. They are supposed to be the Neutral outsiders, neither lawful nor chaotic in Pathfinder 1e. But Owlcat used their rebranded role from Pathfinder 2e instead. Bad move. They felt more otherworldly as forces of balance rather forces of law.

[Brian]

Originally posted by Schlumpsha:

It's ironic that Owlcat made it the Neutral Good path, considering no metallic dragons whatsoever are of this particular alignment. They are either Lawful Good or Chaotic Good, depending on the color. Even the known evil gold dragons, like Mengkare, stay noticeable on the Lawful Evil side of the spectrum. Making WotR's take on both gold dragon and corrupted gold dragon rather... odd, to say the least.

Angels on the other hand can readily be of any good alignment. So it would lore-wise make more sense to have Angel be the Neutral Good path and Gold Dragon the Lawful Good one instead. As I understand, one of the Angel's branching paths even embrace this.

Then Aeon being the Lawful Neutral path would have been the only glaring issue. They are supposed to be the Neutral outsiders, neither lawful nor chaotic in Pathfinder 1e. But Owlcat used their rebranded role from Pathfinder 2e instead. Bad move. They felt more otherworldly as forces of balance rather forces of law.

Maintaining "balance" via control (force) is law. Sanctioned use of force is the very definition of government (law).