Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

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Jekko 28 DIC 2021 a las 12:25
Reason to recruit Wendu?
I can't think of a single reason with any character as to why I should have her along. For a good/neutral character she is demon fodder, for evil ones she's too pathetic...

What are her redeeming qualities?
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zekitbot 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:14 
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I just think it's likely, with a game as heavily inspired by BG2 as this one, that devs were inspired by the idea of a drow companion that can change alignment and subverted the redemption story arc that party companions usually get. I only played with Wendu in the maze, not the rest of the game, but my impression was that she was there for an evil PC playthrough, and for those that explored her romance.

Viconia did not change alignment. While it's true she abandoned Lolth, she replaced her with Shar; the goddess of darkness, loss, secrets and forgetfulness. Her character sheet even has her listed as Neutral Evil.

Okay, my bad. I haven't played that game in about 15 years.

But the main point is I think there could have been some inspiration from BG2, though Wenduag is a very different character with a different party role. I think the same way Cam was made to not have a redemption arc, Wenduag was made to be influenced by the main char, but not transformed entirely.
corisai 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:15 
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Viconia did not change alignment. While it's true she abandoned Lolth, she replaced her with Shar; the goddess of darkness, loss, secrets and forgetfulness. Her character sheet even has her listed as Neutral Evil.
If I remember correctly - she could change alignment in Throne of Baal.
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GrandMajora 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:19 
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She is a Figjter instead of a Monk. That was all I needed to know to choose her instead of Lann.

Also as far as personality goes, she is not a tree hugger like Lann. I did not take much time to get to know Lann, but I assumed I would be the one who had to carry his backpack full of veggie burgers all game long. I shot arrows at Lann as soon as I could.

He's not a hippy, but he does have a martyr complex. He's depressed that he's only got, at best, maybe another 10 years of life before his body craps out on him. So his plan is to 'die heroically' by engaging the demons in some kind of suicide mission.
Dixon Sider 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:20 
Wenduag is not even really evil. I would call her chaotic neutral more than evil. She has a set of rules and laws that she obeys/worships. Survival of the fittest.
Dixon Sider 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:22 
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She is a Figjter instead of a Monk. That was all I needed to know to choose her instead of Lann.

Also as far as personality goes, she is not a tree hugger like Lann. I did not take much time to get to know Lann, but I assumed I would be the one who had to carry his backpack full of veggie burgers all game long. I shot arrows at Lann as soon as I could.

He's not a hippy, but he does have a martyr complex. He's depressed that he's only got, at best, maybe another 10 years of life before his body craps out on him. So his plan is to 'die heroically' by engaging the demons in some kind of suicide mission.
Well thats interesting. I just disliked how he was virtue signaling. That threw up my hippie red flag.
GrandMajora 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:22 
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Wenduag is not even really evil. I would call her chaotic neutral more than evil. She has a set of rules and laws that she obeys/worships. Survival of the fittest.

She's a straight up cannibal, she lured her fellow tribesmen to engage in cannibalism, and she killed Dyra after she discovered Wenduag was in possession of books regarding demonic rituals.

Also, she worships friggin Lamashtu!
zekitbot 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:23 
Ah, that's right. Viconia can become neutral in ToB. Which in all honestly, is a funny thing to have a forum discussion about now, when I haven't thought about her character much since I was a teen.

But yeah, overall I feel like WotR characters have some depth to them, things that get revealed in their personal quests that will be interesting for people who want to know more. They are more polarizing than BG companions and I think it's because they don't fit the mold of a fantasy novel that revolves around a main protagonist as much.

They are already moving towards goals before they meet you and tend to largely stick to those goals unless you do something drastic to disrupt them (like with Arue).

Also they are a lot more petty and flawed than other companions. So they will seem more annoying to some.

To me they feel more like tabletop companions, for better AND worse.
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Dixon Sider 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:24 
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Wenduag is not even really evil. I would call her chaotic neutral more than evil. She has a set of rules and laws that she obeys/worships. Survival of the fittest.

She's a straight up cannibal, she lured her fellow tribesmen to engage in cannibalism, and she killed Dyra after she discovered Wenduag was in possession of books regarding demonic rituals.

Also, she worships friggin Lamashtu!
It was to make her/them stronger though. She was willing to sacrifice herself to "survival of the fittest" all game. She says "If I die then it was meant to be, I was not strong enough" all game. Evil means you do not follow any rules, does it not? Aside from her quest ending, she was very faithful to survival of the fittest.
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GrandMajora 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:25 
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Well thats interesting. I just disliked how he was virtue signaling. That threw up my hippie red flag.

Also, he's got three 17's on his character sheet at level 1. These are invested into Strength, Dexterity and Wisdom. Making him quite possibly the most versatile build companion in the game.
Dixon Sider 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:26 
ohh nvm, I am thinking lawful and not chaotic. You are right. She would be evil instead of good. I would say lawful evil.
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corisai 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:27 
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She's a straight up cannibal, she lured her fellow tribesmen to engage in cannibalism, and she killed Dyra after she discovered Wenduag was in possession of books regarding demonic rituals.

Don't forget horrible surroundings where they are living & poor lives full with starvation. Technically they are cut out of the world and serving Sava is only way to get out (probably) one day.

Plus truth behind their history aren't going to make anyone happy =/
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GrandMajora 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:30 
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It was to make her/them stronger though. She was willing to sacrifice herself to "survival of the fittest" all game. Evil means you do not follow any rules, does it not? Aside from her quest ending, she was very faithful to survival of the fittest.

Yes, and no. D&D and Pathfinder have a spectrum of alignments, which comes in 9 different flavors.

Good, Neutral, Evil.

Lawful, Neutral, Chaotic.

Lawful Evil are people who seek to exploit the system for their own personal benefit. As Baldur's Gate described them, they obey the law out of fear of being punished for breaking it. And once they give their word, they only go back on it if they can find a way to do so legally.


Neutral Evil are people who will do whatever they think they can get away with. They have no qualms about betraying their allies, but they would only do so if they saw some kind of benefit for doing it. They're not complete sociopaths, unlike the next type.


Chaotic Evil are the sadists and lunatics, who derive pleasure from watching other people suffer. They don't need a reason to violate, torture and kill you. They'd do it purely for the entertainment value alone. Baldur's Gate described this alignment as being "the bane of all life."
Dixon Sider 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:33 
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Lawful Evil are people who seek to exploit the system for their own personal benefit. As Baldur's Gate described them, they obey the law out of fear of being punished for breaking it. And once they give their word, they only go back on it if they can find a way to do so legally.
Yes, that is a potential way for someone to be lawful evil. But wouldn't obeying evil laws to the letter also make you lawful evil? Someone who is lawful should obey the laws, but it is not specific on what laws they have to obey. Someone who has a strict code of conduct for their evil doings would be lawful evil.
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GrandMajora 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:35 
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Don't forget horrible surroundings where they are living & poor lives full with starvation. Technically they are cut out of the world and serving Sava is only way to get out (probably) one day.

Plus truth behind their history aren't going to make anyone happy =/

Even in real life, cannibalism was only used as an absolute last resort option. And even then, some of the more primitive cultures would have rather chosen death than partake in it. The whole mythology of the Windego was created specifically to scare people away from engaging in cannibalism.
GrandMajora 31 DIC 2021 a las 14:41 
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Yes, that is a potential way for someone to be lawful evil. But wouldn't obeying evil laws to the letter also make you lawful evil? Someone who is lawful should obey the laws, but it is not specific on what laws they have to obey. Someone who has a strict code of conduct for their evil doings would be lawful evil.

No, the personal moral code thing was invented by memesters, who didn't like the idea of playing a 'lawful stupid' hero.

Following your own personal moral code, over what society tells you to do was the hallmark of a Neutral, or Chaotic character.

If you are Lawful, you obey the law, simple as that. But your reasons for following the law can vary based on your alignment.

Lawful Evil - The law benefits me, therefor I shall honor it.

Lawful Good - The law benefits society, therefor I shall honor it.

Lawful Neutral - I don't want any trouble with the law, therefor I shall honor it.
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