wtf water elemental

[torvon]

sorry but wtf is that water elemental fight -- am i taking a fight i wasn't supposed to take? got 1000+ hours on pathfinder games and there is no chance i can win this fight without cheese. and the fight comes like 30 minutes after the tutorial ends. what the hell? what happened there? it one shot kills each of my characters, and easily hits AC 23. it's hard to hit and has damage reduction.

[gmwaddington]

Originally posted by jojobe:

use spells that drain like horrid wilting or finger of death. elementals and constructs have terrible saves.

Not too many builds can cast Horrid Wilting at lvl 2. :)

[Manatauro]

Lol

[Wither]

Originally posted by Pod 6 is Jerks:

Stash your party somewhere safe, take your best ranged attacker, put combat into real time, and then kite the elemental to the room with the color switches. Run laps around the opening in the floor and keep pegging away without taking a single hit.

Its much easier to kit it with horse, animal. Huge water element is a gentleman. He is kinda behave himself and don't walk on table.

[MjKorz]

Originally posted by Pod 6 is Jerks:

Stash your party somewhere safe, take your best ranged attacker, put combat into real time, and then kite the elemental to the room with the color switches. Run laps around the opening in the floor and keep pegging away without taking a single hit.

That elemental has high damage reduction and most of your ranged attacks are going to do 0 damage. If you're going to kite, might as well spam Divine Zap.

[Stilgars]

Originally posted by jojobe:

use spells that drain like horrid wilting or finger of death. elementals and constructs have terrible saves.

Lol, thanks for the great advice !
ps: the elemental is encountered during the prologue with level 2 characters.

[Sigvuld]

IIRC it's there to teach you that you don't have to fight everything you see or something along those lines

Kiting is god though

Also if your fun is being adversely affected, turn the difficulty down for that fight - or if you're on Custom, just lower enemy damage down to whatever makes the fight feel more reasonable for you, return to your level of choice after

You don't get punished for swapping, so

[Zloth]

((NOTE: Necro'd thread so don't expect answers from earlier posters)

Originally posted by QuinZ33:

Did you miss the part of the tutorial that explicitly calls out that there's a very difficult optional mini-boss when you open the door?

I thought that meant the guy and his assistant in the room before that when I read it! I was quite happy with myself for dealing with him the first time I tried. Then I found the water elemental....

[Vampirate]

Put the frost elemental off til right before the boss fight. Use the resist and protect frost, and haste.

[Steffan]

I always run out of means of healing towards the end of that maze (once as a dhampir bard and once as a tiefling sorcerer). I love most of the optional bosses but I also need the means to fight them. The fight is entirely skippable. I know that in theory the hexes giving disadvantage to the enemy are great but... low level optional fights are not my thing.

P.S. I have a similar problem in Kenabres (to a lesser extend) where most of the comanions get about 2 negative levels each as a result of resurrection and general lack of restoration scrolls, which forces me to dash for the Grey Garrison at some point.

P.S.2 I've never thought a water elemental would be slow... I might have won with kiting. :P

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by torvon:

sorry but wtf is that water elemental fight -- am i taking a fight i wasn't supposed to take? got 1000+ hours on pathfinder games and there is no chance i can win this fight without cheese. and the fight comes like 30 minutes after the tutorial ends. what the hell? what happened there? it one shot kills each of my characters, and easily hits AC 23. it's hard to hit and has damage reduction.

Maybe there's a reason why you get an achievement for defeating it on higher difficulties?

[Soul]

um.... I beat it everytime without turnbased combat.... all I do is switch everyone to crossbows and have them wait outside room... and make sure they target far away.... dont let em use the closer range thing... (the ability that makes them move in closer so they can hit better).... then send in my main character when water elemental is on one side of room and I run my character around the table opposite of where its at.... water elemental aggros to my main while everyone else runs in and shoots it from a distance..... my main character I just play run around the table game of tag while everyone else pelts it with crossbow and out of aggro range and never pull threat by staying back... its easy.... even have enough time to run, stop, and shoot a cantrip at it... and sometimes have to run the other direction.... super easy fight if you use the table trick....

trick is to learn when to use turn based and when not to in fights.... turn based may give you more control.... but it also gives enemy more control as well.... turning off turn base and you can abuse the environment and do things you cant do in turn based.... like denying it a chance to even touch you by kiting.... seems to me they put that table in that room for that reason....

[Trolleur_Durden]

I play on Core and do that fight every time without much issue by doing the following:

-putting the game on turn-based.
-buffing the tank (either Seelah or my MC depending of builds) with various potions, especially barkskin.
-making the tank fight defensively.
-last but not least, taking Protective luck with Camellia on lvl 2 and having her casting it repeatedly on the tank.

Once it's done, I simply attack the elemental from afar with Lann and either Seelah with a glaive + enlarge spell buff if my MC is tanking, or with my MC one way or another. The idea is to have only one character in close range of the elemtal, otherwise he uses cleave and hits everyone close to it.

Protective luck is, in my humble opinion, one of the best defensive abilities in the whole game, period. Besides the sheer AC buff (I don't have the numbers on hand but it's definitely good), it circumvents a lot of natural 20 that you will suffer repeatedly simply because of the sheer amount of attack rolls made against your party through the game.

[mbradtke]

it really depends on the difficulty, and having a pet helps a lot as well, then it comes down to luck (dice), water elemental is pretty tough on hard+ difficulty, not sure sure about normal and core but that is prolly more manageable, on highter difficulties i usually en up kiting it with lann or wenduag, it takes a while to die but it it is a funny fight, u can also straight tank it but on higher difficulty it can easily onehit people

[Sir Snuffles]

yeah it's pretty tough, though i did manage to kill it on core on my second playthrough. though i may have got lucky with my grease spell and kept it downed while daddy Lann sniped him

[Elgar]

Little late to the party, but just a random tip: You can Grease the elemental.