Questions about Lann and your choices in Act III

[Optimistic Cynic]

Spoilers for Act III ahead

In Drezen two specific things that pop up in regards to Lann


One, his mother. I did some google searching and I see people say they 'reconcile' Lann with his mother. All I was able to do was get him to the point where his breaks the arrow and asks me not to tell her. I never have told her. Is there something more? Something I should have done differently? It is not too far in the past and I can reload easily enough (I'll just have to do the wedding side story again)

Two, he comes to you with questions about leadership choices. While searching for answers to the above question I saw people writing that I need to encourage him. In order I chose a) he either has to hurt them (the couple that wants to get married) or himself, he needs to choose, b) let the mongrels stay in the sewers until its time to fight if that is what they want, c) send the children to the city where they will be cared for, and lastly said he should make his own decisions but can always expect my support. Are these the 'encouraging' choices or did I pick something 'wrong' again.

I've heard there is a bad ending for Lann if some things didn't happen and I'm trying to avoid that.

[seeker1]

So, here's the deal.


When you meet Savamalekh in Act V, he's going to tell you he wants to show he's a macho macho man and face him alone. You can veto this. It pisses him to high hell, but he will live.

If you say, go for it, bud, he will face off against Savamalekh and get stung by his stinger. People say you have to do everything you said in Act 3 for him to survive. I'm not SURE that's the case. He usually survived.

The one time he didn't, he died from the sting, and Wenduag suddenly showed up, basically for a swap. So that was the only time for me he didn't. Also the only time for me I had an endling slide for Wendy. She usually betrays me in Act 4.

Bear in mind you don't even have to do his personal quest in Act V. In the end, though, it seems if you want his happiest ending slide, you have to let me be stung, become leader of the Mongrels, and survive.

[Optimistic Cynic]

Thanks!
It was finding out about the Act V stuff that got me worried about the choices I'm making right now in ACT III since people were saying the actual ending (if Lann survives) could actually depend on the Act III choices. Any ideas on if I have done all I can to reconcile him with his mother and if I made the best decisions about his chieftain questions to encourage him?

[seeker1]

I wish I could answer this better.

Game guides indeed seem to indicate that if FO SHORE you want him to survive the sting, reconcile him with mom, tell him to lead the mongrels.

Thing is, I'm pretty sure he survived in my first playtrhu, though I also never finished the whole arc of Mum reconciliation. I'm not sure if these are so necessary for survival, but might be for the happiest ending slide.

Again, I can only tell you the one time for me he died from the sting was when Wendy returned - there is only one way you can get this to happen, and the developers have said "it's a binary choice" so ....

I understand there is a way to get an epilogue/ending for both, but you HAVE to pick her over Lann in the Prologue. I never do. Also why I've never seen her romance or personal quests. You don't get them if she only returns in Act 5.

[Optimistic Cynic]

okay, Thanks for the help!

I actually killed Wenduag, so she won't be showing up later :)

[The1Kobra]

The choices he needs to make as 'chief' vary depending on whether you used the demon or angel choice against Savamelekh in the prologue. How it turns out should be obvious when you do the C3 quest. (AKA if there are corrupted Mongrels or not)

I don't think the exact choices matter so much as long as you remain supportive. I think the line "As one chief to another..." at the end of it ensures a good outcome. Just make sure he stays as chief.

[forkofspite]

I can confirm ...
Failing to reconcile with his mother and letting him face off against Sava in Act 5 will cause him to die from the sting

Link to video showing the result (climatic scene starts at about the 29:00 mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2wAn8TSPqc&list=PLRgit1BuilmuWNW5i1AZ427-WH2ca3AGm&index=208

[Optimistic Cynic]

But what constitutes reconciling with his mother? I have yet to find any mention of this in any guide or forum post. People keep saying to do it, but not what counts as reconciling with her.

His breaking the arrow and him asking not to tell her sure doesn't feel like any kind of reconciliation.

[forkofspite]

Originally posted by Optimistic Cynic:

But what constitutes reconciling with his mother? I have yet to find any mention of this in any guide or forum post. People keep saying to do it, but not what counts as reconciling with her.

His breaking the arrow and him asking not to tell her sure doesn't feel like any kind of reconciliation.

After Lann breaks the arrow, you have the option to go back to his mother and tell her. However, the quest was already done, so I decided to respect Lann's verbal request. Presumably, there will be additional material if you tell his mother.

[Optimistic Cynic]

That is pretty much where I ended it as well :) Just wondering if there is more as that really doesn't feel like reconciliation does it? Ah well.

[Rhapsody]

Originally posted by forkofspite:

I can confirm ...
Failing to reconcile with his mother and letting him face off against Sava in Act 5 will cause him to die from the sting

Link to video showing the result (climatic scene starts at about the 29:00 mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2wAn8TSPqc&list=PLRgit1BuilmuWNW5i1AZ427-WH2ca3AGm&index=208

That is not the only requirement. You must also support him in other, more subtle ways, showing your trust for him.

[forkofspite]

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

That is not the only requirement. You must also support him in other, more subtle ways, showing your trust for him.

True - I was just confirming the reconciliation with his mother. The dialogue information from the video I linked provides the confirmation but only that it's one of the requirements.

[Super Cosmic Space Magnet]

I liked going full angelmode in the prologue and then romancing Lann, then choosing the "I don't want pathetic underground monsters in my crusade" dialogue option. Stopped him from getting sick in Act 4!

[gmwaddington]

You have to tell his mother that he threw the arrow away.

[memotomoni]

Reconciling Lann with his mother involves running back and forth between them several times until there are no dialogue options left (starting after the arrow thing). Note that your quest log does not list a quest that asks you to do this, and therefore the quest log will not notify you of success or failure! So it is easy to miss. You will know that it worked when you visit them again and hear them telling amusing stories, for example, she calling him a "little potato" or something like that...

[GrandMajora]

To get him to reconcile, you have to tell her he destroyed the arrow. Lann will approach her immediately afterward, and have the chance to finally vent his true feelings about the issue. After he gets everything off his chest, he manages to calm down and they finally begin talking to each other again.