Drow/Dark Elves

[hexentwerk]

Are they gonna be playable in this or is there no hope for the dwellers of the underdark? :( Don't know how much different pathfinder is in that regard

[lazarusblack]

Messaggio originale di Immortal Reaver:

Messaggio originale di Mordlust:

How can people possibly be so bored to get offended over such trivial, fictive matters I wonder. Meanwhile WH40k, WH fantasy/AOS, tolkien, even Fallout and especially the elder scrolls, and pretty much all fictive fantasy worlds I can think of right now are hiding, hoping not to be noticed lol

Those people associate Orcs in DnD with blacks in America.

This is why we can't have nice things...

[Drake]

Messaggio originale di lazarusblack:

Messaggio originale di Immortal Reaver:

Those people associate Orcs in DnD with blacks in America.

This is why we can't have nice things...

Which is funny because orcs are actually inspired by mongols, specifically the genghis khan stuff.

[kiogu]

You can choose Elves origin - bligtborn and gry skin tone. It's pretty much a drow.

[GrandMajora]

Messaggio originale di Immortal Reaver:

Those people associate Orcs in DnD with blacks in America.

Even though they were based on horror stories about the Mongolian hordes.

[Soft Lockpick]

Messaggio originale di GrandMajora:

Messaggio originale di Immortal Reaver:

Those people associate Orcs in DnD with blacks in America.

Even though they were based on horror stories about the Mongolian hordes.

I always heard they were based on football hooligans. Apocryphal?

[GrandMajora]

Messaggio originale di Soft Lockpick:

I always heard they were based on football hooligans. Apocryphal?

What football hooligans involve going from village to village, raping and pillaging everyone you come across?

[peko]

Messaggio originale di Soft Lockpick:

Messaggio originale di GrandMajora:

Even though they were based on horror stories about the Mongolian hordes.

I always heard they were based on football hooligans. Apocryphal?

40k Orks sure, Tolkien or DnD/Pathfinder not so much.

[MMJ]

Drow are not suitables as a playable race in wrath of the righteous.

According to Pathfinder's lore, a drow is an elf who as turned ultra evil - it's basically a mutation : if you're an elf and commit horrendous act after horrendous act, you might eventually turn into a drow.

So, unlike the forgotten realms, there can be no "good" or "redeemed" drow. If you're a drow, it means you are one of the worst elf in existence. Besides, drows usually worship demon lords.

Honestly, a drow character wouldn't survive past the begining of the game : Hulrun and/or Terendelev would obliterate you the moment they realize what you are.

[hexentwerk]

Messaggio originale di MMJ:

Drow are not suitables as a playable race in wrath of the righteous.

According to Pathfinder's lore, a drow is an elf who as turned ultra evil - it's basically a mutation : if you're an elf and commit horrendous act after horrendous act, you might eventually turn into a drow.

So, unlike the forgotten realms, there can be no "good" or "redeemed" drow. If you're a drow, it means you are one of the worst elf in existence. Besides, drows usually worship demon lords.

Honestly, a drow character wouldn't survive past the begining of the game : Hulrun and/or Terendelev would obliterate you the moment they realize what you are.

You can kill Halrun for no reason if you so desire, first off. Neither Halrun nor Terendelev were even aware of the demons presence right before Deskaris attack, none sensed the corruption in the wardstone, none noticed the "Betrayer of Humankind" walking right among them, I'd say they really aren't exactly apt in the arts of perception.... the zealot especially.
Also, you can be "horrendous" evil in WotR. You can use the swarm as a literal bioweapon, sacrificing your soldiers in the progress (latter is available quite often..). From Lich to demon to swarm-that-walks mythic paths available to the MC. Your party may consist of walking corpses, a demon, a bloodthirsty serial killer and a crazed cave woman that murders people in hopes to get her bdsm punishment kink off. You can kill a legendary hero of the crusade with her own sword. The list could go on forever.
How is drow being evil incarnate, thus "not playable", a reason if there's such a plethora of ways to commit evil?
With the amount of CE murder options and the corrupt and evil way you can play this game, you can already act and behave as any drow. The only difference is the lack of a small tooltip, darkvision and a different skin.

[phadin]

Pathfinder did make drow playable. They are expanded on further in the Advanced Races Guide, actually. However, the social issues of playign a drow are definately a problem. their power level is not out of the ordinary compared to other things already in this game. Drow as a race have 14 RP (Racial Points). Humans as a baseline have 10, as do most of the core races. A few like kobolds are weaker and have 9 or 8, but some races already in WotR, like Asamar has 15, and Tiefling has 13. It would not be out of line to include Drow.


That said, if any player ever asks to play a Drow Noble, they need to be 'noped' out of existence. (RP 41 )

[GrandMajora]

Messaggio originale di MMJ:

According to Pathfinder's lore, a drow is an elf who as turned ultra evil - it's basically a mutation : if you're an elf and commit horrendous act after horrendous act, you might eventually turn into a drow.

Best keep your mouth shut, before the Winter Council hears you saying that.

[GrandMajora]

Messaggio originale di Mordlust:

How is drow being evil incarnate, thus "not playable", a reason if there's such a plethora of ways to commit evil?
With the amount of CE murder options and the corrupt and evil way you can play this game, you can already act and behave as any drow. The only difference is the lack of a small tooltip, darkvision and a different skin.

Maybe it's because I actually leaned into the proper way to play a Demon and Lich, but in the two times I tried it, the pathetic and cowardly mortals tried to abandon me after the battle of Iz.

For my Lich play through, I unleashed my power and slaughtered all the remaining living crusaders, reanimating them as my undead slaves. For my Demon play through, I unleashed my power on the deserters and exterminated them all. Replacing my army with demons and cultists.

So yes, you can be super duper evil, but don't expect the righteous crusaders to stand by you if you decide to go that route.

[Khryst]

the only good drow is a dead drow.

seriously, the things I would to drow, if the game allowed me too, would make even camellia blush in shame.

[CelticMutt]

Messaggio originale di Mordlust:

With the amount of CE murder options and the corrupt and evil way you can play this game, you can already act and behave as any drow. The only difference is the lack of a small tooltip, darkvision and a different skin.

Darkvision doesn't even exist in the game. I don't know if it was a design choice, or if Owlcat couldn't get it to work, but all races that are supposed to get darkvision get keen senses instead - dwarves, aasimar, tieflings, oreads, and I think half-orcs.

[T.W. Hamill]

Messaggio originale di derricks7:

They also just don't serve the same role in Golarion that they do in Faerun.

Sure they do. They are even worse in Golarion because in Golarion if a regular elf does enough Evil, they can BECOME a Drow.

But, just like in Faerun (not the origin of the Drow, btw, that'd be Greyhawk) they are irredemably evil monsters.

They serve the same role.