Can someone explain "combine spellbooks" for mythic paths?

[CHAO$$$]

To my understanding some mythic paths can combine their spellbook with that of certain classes.

What are the advantages/ disadvantages of doing so? How does it work?

I'd assume class spellprogression is generally faster - that would mean youd get faster access to mythic path spells as well?

[elbentzo]

Combining spellbooks is available to characters on the Angel mythic path (if they have levels in cleric or oracle classes) and characters on the Lich mythic path (if they have levels in wizard, sorcerer or arcanist classes). It's possible one of the late game mythic paths can also combine spellbooks with some classes but we don't know about those yet.

If you DON'T combine spellbooks, then you have two separate spell books, each with their own list of spells, each with their own caster level, and each with their own number of spells per day you can cast. The spell progression of the ``regular" spellbook is determined by the class and the Mythic spellbook by the mythic rank. The mythic spellbook contains both mythic spells (unique to WotR and to the specific mythic path you're on) and also normal spells you'd know from the standard divine spell list (for angels) or arcane spell list (for Liches).

If you DO combine spellbooks, then you have just one book with all your spells in it. This book contains all the spells you got from your class and the Mythic spells you should have according to your rank. You do not get the ``normal" spells the Mythic spellbook would've contained if you hadn't combined spellbooks. Your caster level (for all spells in the book, no matter where they came from) is the sum of your class levels plus your Mythic rank.

So for an example, let's say you're a level 10 wizard with Mythic rank 3 in the Lich path. If you do not combine spell books, you will have the normal amount of spells for a level 10 wizard with caster level 10. In addition you will have access to another book, with separate spell slots (so you can't use wizard slots to memorize more lich spells), which you cast at caster level 3. This book includes unique spells like Corrupted Blood, Mastery of Death and Power from Death, but also spells like Grease, False Life, Glitterdust and Displacement. You'll have them even if you didn't get them as a wizard, and you can memorize them in your Lich spell slots.

If the same wizard chose to combine books, he'd not have access to Grease, False Life, etc., unless he learned them as a wizard (he'll still have the unique lich spells). He will also only have a single set of spell slots to memorize both ``regular" arcane spells and lich spells. All his spells -- ``regular" arcane or unique lich -- are cast at caster level 13.

Edit: in case it wasn't clear, combining spellbooks is SUPER powerful and I can't imagine a case where it's not vastly superior to keeping them separate. You can always get spell slots from Mythic abilities (Abundant Casting), and increasing your overall caster level is incredibly powerful, much more than getting a few extra spells you might not have had otherwise. For example, Angels have a mythic spell that does a die of damage per caster level to all enemies in a large area -- 1d6 if they're not evil, 1d8 if they're evil but low level, and so forth up to 1d12 if they're evil dragons or Demon lords. If you don't combine levels, you can cast it up to level 10 (maximum mythic rank in the game) for up to 10d12 damage.
If you do combine, you can go as high as 30d12 AOE. Crazy.

[Beermachine]

From my understanding:

+ Faster spell progression.
+ Access to unique path spells for main caster spellbook, which has more slots if dedicated caster than mystic book.
+ Higher spell casting level for spells with mystic class added to main spell caster class (better dmg, duration, spell penetration, etc).
+ Maybe 10th level spells (show 10th level as a category on the mystic screen). Obviously only for dedicated divine / arcane casters.
- Less overall spells / day. Maybe much less if abundant caster perks affect both books (don't know).
- Less variety of spells as you lose access to spell progression selection with a combined book (mainly relevant for spontaneous casters with limited selection). Not 100% on this one either.

? - If unique spells added to the main classes spell book use the primary caster stat for DC then that's a plus also. Don't know if that's the case and what primary caster stat, if any, mystic spell classes use.

Probably loads more.

Edit - Saw elbentzo post after typing mine. Agree completely that having a combined spell level for dmg, duration, etc could be incredibly powerful. The possibility alone of turning 1/round level buffs into 24hr with perks + extend at caster level 25 is a game changer.

[Lauro]

Originally posted by elbentzo:

Combining spellbooks is available to characters on the Angel mythic path (if they have levels in cleric or oracle classes) and characters on the Lich mythic path (if they have levels in wizard, sorcerer or arcanist classes). It's possible one of the late game mythic paths can also combine spellbooks with some classes but we don't know about those yet.

Anyone knof if it must be "Cleric" or does that include WARPRIEST ?

[Atlas MK II]

Warpriests are not clerics or oracles, so no, they don't merge spellbooks.

Lich can also combine spellbooks with witches

[No_Name]

is there anyway of knowing what mythic path will give what spell books ? is it just split into arcane and divine or ?

[elbentzo]

Originally posted by Lauro:

Originally posted by elbentzo:

Combining spellbooks is available to characters on the Angel mythic path (if they have levels in cleric or oracle classes) and characters on the Lich mythic path (if they have levels in wizard, sorcerer or arcanist classes). It's possible one of the late game mythic paths can also combine spellbooks with some classes but we don't know about those yet.

Anyone knof if it must be "Cleric" or does that include WARPRIEST ?

Only full divine casters can merge with angel, so no warpriest. Just cleric and oracle.

Originally posted by No_Name:

is there anyway of knowing what mythic path will give what spell books ? is it just split into arcane and divine or ?

Of the 6 paths in the beta, only Angel and Lich can can merge spellbooks. Angels can only merge with clerics and oracles, Liches can only merge with wizards, sorcerers, arcanists and witches (thanks to Atlas MK II for correcting my original post).

[CHAO$$$]

Originally posted by No_Name:

is there anyway of knowing what mythic path will give what spell books ? is it just split into arcane and divine or ?

From my understanding only some of the mythic class spellbooks can be combined at all, so not all of them will fall into either of these to begin with,

Anyway - thanks for detailed explanation!

[No_Name]

Originally posted by elbentzo:

Originally posted by Lauro:

Anyone knof if it must be "Cleric" or does that include WARPRIEST ?

Only full divine casters can merge with angel, so no warpriest. Just cleric and oracle.

Originally posted by No_Name:

is there anyway of knowing what mythic path will give what spell books ? is it just split into arcane and divine or ?

Of the 6 paths in the beta, only Angel and Lich can can merge spellbooks. Angels can only merge with clerics and oracles, Liches can only merge with wizards, sorcerers, arcanists and witches (thanks to Atlas MK II for correcting my original post).

ty so much <3

[Immortal Reaver]

Originally posted by elbentzo:

If you don't combine levels, you can cast it up to level 10 (maximum mythic rank in the game) for up to 10d12 damage.
If you do combine, you can go as high as 30d12 AOE. Crazy.

If you do not combine spellbooks your Caster level for Mythic Spells is 2x Mythic Rank. So it would be maximum 20d12dmage.

[Lauro]

Originally posted by Atlas MK II:

Warpriests are not clerics or oracles, so no, they don't merge spellbooks.

Lich can also combine spellbooks with witches

Thanks

[Morgian]

As reaver said, the mythic spellcaster level is rank x2. An uncombined sorcerer has the full power of a sorcerer 20 and lich 20. Yes, abundant spells tacked 4 spells per level to both books for me when I played Azata.
I did not try it myself and found no posting, which would tell me if the caster level of a combined book goes actually above 20. If it did, that would be a nice thing to have, otherwise it isn't really important, since you end up 20/20 otherwise and would just lose out on the number of spells.

[elbentzo]

Originally posted by Morgian:

As reaver said, the mythic spellcaster level is rank x2. An uncombined sorcerer has the full power of a sorcerer 20 and lich 20. Yes, abundant spells tacked 4 spells per level to both books for me when I played Azata.
I did not try it myself and found no posting, which would tell me if the caster level of a combined book goes actually above 20. If it did, that would be a nice thing to have, otherwise it isn't really important, since you end up 20/20 otherwise and would just lose out on the number of spells.

Caster level goes over 20 when combining spellbooks.

[Immortal Reaver]

Originally posted by Morgian:

I did not try it myself and found no posting, which would tell me if the caster level of a combined book goes actually above 20. If it did, that would be a nice thing to have, otherwise it isn't really important, since you end up 20/20 otherwise and would just lose out on the number of spells.

When merged you gain 30 lvl caster and gain 10th level spells.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

To my understanding some mythic paths can combine their spellbook with that of certain classes.

What are the advantages/ disadvantages of doing so? How does it work?

I'd assume class spellprogression is generally faster - that would mean youd get faster access to mythic path spells as well?

When combining spell books, your caster level uses both your class level AND your Mythic rank to determine what level spells you can learn / cast.

What this effectively means, is you'll be gaining access to high tier spells much more rapidly than you would from just using non-mythic levels. For example, if your character was level 12 in their class, and rank 4 in Mythic, you would be counted as a 16th level spell caster. This would give you access to 8th level spells, when you should only be casting up to 5th.

Is that horrifically overpowered? Yes, absolutely, especially for the enemies you'd be facing at that level. However, not all spell books can be combined.

Demon, Aeon and Trickster can't combine spell books, to the best of my knowledge.

Lich can only combine their spell book with a class that is a pure arcane caster. So you'd need something like a Wizard, or an Arcanist. I think that Sorcerer and Witch might also be an option, but I'm not 100% sure.

Angel can only combine their spell book with a class that is a pure divine caster. Meaning you'd need to be either a Cleric, or an Oracle. I'm not sure if Druid can combine books or not, since they're technically a divine spell caster?

Hybrid classes such as Magus, Paladin and Ranger can't combine spell books.

[Immortal Reaver]

Druid cannot merge.