Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Enhanced Edition

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Anyone else hate Lawful Good
I don't understand the obession that people seem to have with Lawful Good protagonists personally I HATE them because they VERY annoying and often quite stupid especially given the way the alignments in this game work: to be frank lawful good tends to be stupid and lets evil people like Halrun and his inquisitors get away with murder instead of killing them like they should; secondly I don't like lawful Neutral either the Aeon as a whole while an interesting concept is too weak from the standpoint of mechanics, you can redeem characters and that is nice BUT you are forced to kill others without a say in it: then we have Lawful Evil which behaves as expected however I don't like that the Lich is associeted with lawful evil given that its story has you wipe out a good amount of living people, that's a neutral or chaotic evil action; so as it stands the mythic path for Lawful Evil doesn't line up with ethics; also in locks you out of romance options and is a requirement for others. Now what ahole decided to make romances alignment restricted: for heaven's sake Kingmaker didn't do that: nor did it force you to kill companions like this game does: I hate the alignment system and which that it was not a hard requirement for gameplay its restrictive and not fun straight up, where as in Kingmaker it was not really impactful on the gameplay side it did have story impacts but it tended not to restrict your endgame character build unless you were a Druid or Paladin that required a neutral alignment (Two classes I won't play due that restriction and in the case of the Druid it also happens to do with ♥♥♥♥ armor in a game where high armor means you are hard to hit and take less damage in addition to being a squishy caster) and to be honest it is maddening.
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GrandMajora 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:05 
Yes, the Lich kills a bunch of living people, but then immediately raises them as undead soldiers, who's subservience to the commander is absolute. They may not be happy with the situation (in fact, all of your undead companions see it as a fate worse than death), but you can be sure that they are in no danger of being corrupted by demonic cults, or staging a coup against you.

They are 'lawful' in the sense that their path is one that promotes unquestioning obedience and cohesive unity among the Fifth Crusade.
Klutch 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:12 
Lawful Neutral are the true crazies. Those guys are nuts.
GrandMajora 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:13 
引用自 BoogieMan
The in game alignment system kinda sucks TBH.

I saw a reddit post where someone had their Paladin fall because he selected a "good" dialogue option where he told someone he wasn't there to rob them, so they moved from Lawful Good to Neutral Good. lol.

I tend to be Neutral Good, but settled for Neutral Evil as a Lich. meh..

I've always wondered what a Paladin would say if you asked them where they drew a line about being so lawful. So, what if there was a nation where it was law and custom to cannibalize every first born child?

Seems like they tolerate slavery if it's lawful.

Doesn't seem very good to me. In general I think blind adherence to the law is stupid, because laws can be stupid because people can be stupid.

Yeah, that's one mistake that Owlcat made that wasn't in Kingmaker.

The Good / Evil dialog options will shift you towards Neutral. So if you don't pick Lawful / Chaotic options at least some of the time, you'll find yourself gradually shifting away.

They should have kept options separated as Lawful Good, Neutral Good, Chaotic Good, est. Like the first game did. Because as it stands now, maintaining your starting alignment is much harder than it was in the first game.

Makes your character come across as bipolar, where a Lawful Good character may be compassionate and merciful in one scene, and then an unempathetic a-hole in the next.
最後修改者:GrandMajora; 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:15
Hence the reason I'm liable to never play an Aeon, that and the Aeon is easily the weakest of the mythic classes.
Cpt_Weisemann 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:16 
I prefer neutral and chaotic good. Most of the lawful choices in the game tend to be evil choices. I killed Hulrun because of his ways to judge people as evil without any investigations.
GrandMajora 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:17 
引用自 Klutch
Lawful Neutral are the true crazies. Those guys are nuts.

Lawful Neutral is the true Lawful Stupid. They're the characters who obey the law, no matter what it says.

Lawful Good believes the law should strive to benefit society as much as possible.

Lawful Evil believes the law should be exploited to benefit themselves as much as possible.
Second that and killing Halrun is a given for anyone along with his ilk the world would be better off without them: besides the guy had gone completely insane by that point killing him is the best option because no good would come of sparing the guy, none whatsoever
GrandMajora 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:25 
Second that and killing Halrun is a given for anyone along with his ilk the world would be better off without them: besides the guy had gone completely insane by that point killing him is the best option because no good would come of sparing the guy, none whatsoever

While it's true that Hulrun was completely broken by Minagho's massacre in previous years, the reason why he's not considered an 'evil' character is because he genuinely believes that what he is doing is on the side of righteousness. He is a devout worshiper of Iomedae, and has made it his life's mission to root out any corruption that threatens the people of Kenabres.

The fact that Hulrun is still able to wield divine magic, means that his alignment is at least somewhere in Iomedae's ballpark. If he had succumbed to evil, she would have stripped him of his powers by now.

Yes, Hulrun needs to be removed from office, but not because he is evil. He needs to be removed, because he is mentally unfit for the position, and needs to get help for the trauma he's lived through.
Red Phantom 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:27 
Both lawful good and lawful evil are pretty artificial. The law is typically just what's required to sustain a given social order, and that's all that it is. It doesn't necessarily have any moral qualities. That makes it pretty difficult to write a decent and natural lawful "good" character in particular.
THAC0 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:47 
Owlcat realy dosnt understand how to do alignment what so ever so yeah i can see why LG is just terrible in there games.
Lywelyn 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:47 
引用自 BoogieMan
The in game alignment system kinda sucks TBH.



Seems like they tolerate slavery if it's lawful.

literally the reason nurah give you as for why she betray you

but heh... you ask me lawful good is the true stupid, it's funny being random ♥♥♥♥ based on your own moral compass.

i mean, i'm the commander of the fifth crusade, one of the most pious ♥♥♥♥ you could find in all mendev, against demons nontheless ... who am i ?

a lich sorcerer with both celestial and abyss bloodline, oh i forgot ... i'm a dhampir and my only most trusted companion is ... a f'ing succubus ... LOL
this whoel session is being a trickster without picking trickster.

but seriously paladins are overrated, a bunch of of fanatical brats enclosed in tin cans playing at who's the most lawful good guy in the world, jeez even demons have more self respect than that, they'll abide laws that make sense at least, not blindly follow the first mongrel who'd set up a land with autistic laws.
GrandMajora 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:54 
引用自 Lywelyn

i mean, i'm the commander of the fifth crusade, one of the most pious ♥♥♥♥ you could find in all mendev, against demons nontheless ... who am i ?

NO, you aren't! And the game brings this up several times. Queen Galfrey doesn't appoint people to positions based on merit and experience. She does it mostly as a PR stunt to help drum up support for the crusade.

Irabeth and Anevia both received their positions because they did something to aid the queen in the past. But when it came to actually doing their jobs, Irabeth had an emotional breakdown, and Anevia refused to do her job as head of security, because she was afraid of inconveniencing the commander.

What did you, a fresh faced recruit to the crusades do to earn yourself the commander position? You stopped the demons from blowing up the Wardstone. Okay, congratulations, you're a hero.

But being a hero does not make you a war veteran, and there are probably dozens of soldiers in the army who would have been far better qualified for the position than your character.
The Infinity Sock 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:57 
Am not a fan of lawful alignment but I think the main problem is more to do with players than the alignment itself any alignment can work but if players take there alignment too far it can be a real pain in the backside for players to deal with
Edstyles 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 10:58 
Because monk dip U need to be lawful :/
The Infinity Sock 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 11:00 
引用自 GrandMajora
引用自 Klutch
Lawful Neutral are the true crazies. Those guys are nuts.

Lawful Neutral is the true Lawful Stupid. They're the characters who obey the law, no matter what it says.

Lawful Good believes the law should strive to benefit society as much as possible.

Lawful Evil believes the law should be exploited to benefit themselves as much as possible.
Lawful is not just about obeying the law a lawful neutral could just have there own personal code
最後修改者:The Infinity Sock; 2021 年 9 月 30 日 下午 11:02
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