Mining effiency

[Frodo]

How can I fix this. I probably overcommitted getting the best sites on Luna and Mars. So now I'm negative on water and gaining very little volatiles due to upkeep and its about to get worse when my cores on Mars are done.

How can I improve mining efficiency or cut upkeep, I don't want to destroy any of my bases.
I have a couple of corps giving some mining efficiency, but there have to be other ways too.

Its going to take me some time to get enough boost to make mining oupost for Mars on earth, so was hoping to be able to get a surplus on the moon.
Nobody will have any water to sell me since the moon is the only thing being mined at this point.

Also, how do I rename a base? I know it can be done, but haven't been able to do it.

Screenshot:
https://ibb.co/p3yhkFv

[Laiders72]

Okay so there is a lot to deal with here.

Space mining efficiency gradually improves with orgs and techs. These bonuses are not going to help much. They are useful later once you have larger incomes and can stack more of them.

You need to save boost to build your best Mars mine ASAP. That should get you positive and allow you to build out a space economy.

You say you have a moon mine. It would be interesting to know the yields of that mine. You want a Luna mine that has a profit of water or volatiles as well as metal. Break even point is 1.7 for water and volatiles. Getting a mine that gives you these is vital for affording to go to Mars. Ideally you do not want a Luna mine costing boost to maintain due to too little water or volatiles.

[ArcticISAF]

I found Luna to be useful only for two things - getting early metal for the mars setting up, and getting fissiles short and long term. In my experience, I just sucked up the temporary water and volatile usage, even though it’s bad for boost. The alternative is ignoring Luna and shooting straight for Mars - possible but just need to prep the boost.

Mars should provide ample amounts of all resources once the mining complexes are set up. Basically need to send the core, a fission pile, and a mining outpost. Luckily mining outposts can set up other outposts once complete, so it’s basically holding on until you have one (or two) outposts set up on Mars.

[MrFailSauce]

One luna base at the radioisotope site is all you need. As soon as your martian colonies pop you'll have plenty of resources. Mid-game you need to start using hydroponics/farms to reduce volatile and water usage.

[Frodo]

Originally posted by Laiders72:

Okay so there is a lot to deal with here.

Space mining efficiency gradually improves with orgs and techs. These bonuses are not going to help much. They are useful later once you have larger incomes and can stack more of them.

You need to save boost to build your best Mars mine ASAP. That should get you positive and allow you to build out a space economy.

You say you have a moon mine. It would be interesting to know the yields of that mine. You want a Luna mine that has a profit of water or volatiles as well as metal. Break even point is 1.7 for water and volatiles. Getting a mine that gives you these is vital for affording to go to Mars. Ideally you do not want a Luna mine costing boost to maintain due to too little water or volatiles.

Mine are Peary Crater and Copernicus Crater. I'm mining both

https://ibb.co/HXSqcHZ

[Frodo]

Originally posted by ArcticISAF:

I found Luna to be useful only for two things - getting early metal for the mars setting up, and getting fissiles short and long term. In my experience, I just sucked up the temporary water and volatile usage, even though it’s bad for boost. The alternative is ignoring Luna and shooting straight for Mars - possible but just need to prep the boost.

Mars should provide ample amounts of all resources once the mining complexes are set up. Basically need to send the core, a fission pile, and a mining outpost. Luckily mining outposts can set up other outposts once complete, so it’s basically holding on until you have one (or two) outposts set up on Mars.

I have 80.7 boost (0.36) But need 191 just for the mining outpost. And I also need power going. So going to take some time.

As soon as I get my first mars mining going I should be golden

https://ibb.co/2h0brBp

[ArcticISAF]

I think you picked out the best sites available, so that’s good. I’m pretty sure there’s an early-ish tech to reduce the boost needed to ship out equipment to other planets - nuclear freighters maybe? I’m not at my laptop so I can’t check where in the tech tree it is, but feels like 191 is higher than usual. Regardless I think you’re doing good. Edit: Boost income looks good too I think.

[Frodo]

OK, thanks guys. Guess I'll just have to wait until 2028 until I have enough boost to get first Mars site going. I checked again its actually 194.1 not 191 to get a mining complex from Earth to Mars.

2028 feels late to me.

[Kryten]

Originally posted by Frodo:

OK, thanks guys. Guess I'll just have to wait until 2028 until I have enough boost to get first Mars site going. I checked again its actually 194.1 not 191 to get a mining complex from Earth to Mars.

2028 feels late to me.

check the techtree, as mentioned before there is a tech that drastically reduces the boost needed to go beyond earth orbit ( I think it halves it, if that did not change?)

[「Miia」]

You could always invest in increasing boost production back on Earth, should end up allowing you to launch faster.

[ArcticISAF]

Hmm, yeah 2028 might be a bit later than optimal or preferable (maybe 2026/2027?). But honestly as long as your earth research income is good and everything is going well there (like for building mission control points), you can catch up pretty fast. And capturing a good chunk of sites on Mars too will help, if you can prevent the others from taking them (or just conquer them later lol).

I think generally next after getting resources from Mars is generally building stations around Earth, but tier 1 stations are pretty much meh… tier 2 they become functional imo. So there’s that period of time anyway to wait to research that stuff.

[Riftwalker]

Originally posted by Frodo:

OK, thanks guys. Guess I'll just have to wait until 2028 until I have enough boost to get first Mars site going. I checked again its actually 194.1 not 191 to get a mining complex from Earth to Mars.

2028 feels late to me.

remember that boost costs change over time due to their orbits not matching

[Frodo]

Originally posted by Riftwalker:

Originally posted by Frodo:

OK, thanks guys. Guess I'll just have to wait until 2028 until I have enough boost to get first Mars site going. I checked again its actually 194.1 not 191 to get a mining complex from Earth to Mars.

2028 feels late to me.

remember that boost costs change over time due to their orbits not matching

Aha, thanks.
That helps alot. I have to time it right.

[fortydayweekend]

Keep in mind that most mining sites are trash, don't build too many on Mars or the asteroids.

Noble metals and fissiles are key, just try to get the best few sites for each. Water, volatiles and metals should come naturally as part of doing that.

Also don't be too quick to upgrade to settlement mines, for really good sites (e.g. 12+ fissiles) they can be worthwhile early but for others they're just a drain until you can stack a lot of mining bonuses.

If another faction takes a really good Mars or asteroid site don't worry, a stripped down gunship with Marine module and 0 armor can take it for you. Asteroids you might need to wait for Ion/Hall drive

[Frodo]

Have they changed the boost cost. Earth and Mars are at its closest now, but still cost 194.1 for a mining complex. But doesn't matter, I'm close now 179 after building two fission piles

[Tomruler]

Originally posted by Frodo:

Have they changed the boost cost. Earth and Mars are at its closest now, but still cost 194.1 for a mining complex. But doesn't matter, I'm close now 179 after building two fission piles

There are 2 techs that each roughly halve the cost in boost, down to around 64 for a completely earth built mars colony. They're pretty early on as well; I got them before I landed my moon base (which only cost me 20 boost for the mining complex)