Alien Hydra

[просто чел]

This things have insane securaty stats . My best ops with 25/25 invistigation espipnage have barely 20% to assasinate mission end less to capture.
Please lower down they stats . As two Hydras are capturing defended full supported contriol points of CHINA on one turn and u can do nothing with it. It stars at 2035 + y.
thx

[debott]

20% is pretty good odds, imho.

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

If you take them out early enough they don't get that strong assuming you also prevent them landing too and stop Protectorate/Academy/Servants from researching alien diplomacy.

You may also be able to nuke them, as a last resort.

Sounds like you haven't been keeping wraps on them or allowed them to keep landing as the aliens get a bonus for defending against your faction for every alien you kill/capture. And 20% chance is still fairly decent for the hardest mission types such as assassinate.

[Tomruler]

Originally posted by Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia:

If you take them out early enough they don't get that strong assuming you also prevent them landing too and stop Protectorate/Academy/Servants from researching alien diplomacy.

You may also be able to nuke them, as a last resort.

Sounds like you haven't been keeping wraps on them or allowed them to keep landing as the aliens get a bonus for defending against your faction for every alien you kill/capture. And 20% chance is still fairly decent for the hardest mission types such as assassinate.

Their survivor trait means they almost always survive nukes right?

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

It will certainly help them but like I said nukes are the last resort, the amount of collateral damage a nuclear strike will do is rarely worth a single councillor's life even a menace like a high level Hydra.

[Adanu]

If I had a way to reverse the damage from a nuke, I'd be willing to nuke these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ off my planet. I've settled for waiting for them to try for my CPs and then focusing them down.

[corisai]

I don't believe in 20% chance on max power up with ops - there is very few conditional bonuses to Security (and AFAIK they aren't available to Hydras). Probably you lost control over local Security CP (so it now providing a defensive bonus to them) - then you should fix that ASAP instead of assassination (keep investigating them to raise bonus to +5).

And being 2035... guess you don't touched Hydra for ~13 years? That was a bad decision, allowed them to stack tons and tons of XP.

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by corisai:

And being 2035... guess you don't touched Hydra for ~13 years? That was a bad decision, allowed them to stack tons and tons of XP.

Unless they've done something about the Salamander org so that it is destroyed upon assassination or capture, natural Security stat is largely irrelevant because they'll just stack Salamanders to get 25 Security no matter what.

[corisai]

Originally posted by gimmethegepgun:

they've done something about the Salamander org so that it is destroyed upon assassination or capture

Seems they did it at least for agents that already present on Earth.

[noobermenschen]

Originally posted by gimmethegepgun:

Unless they've done something about the Salamander org so that it is destroyed upon assassination or capture, natural Security stat is largely irrelevant because they'll just stack Salamanders to get 25 Security no matter what.

Don't know about that but I think Ayy security stats aren't quite as high as they were? Making these buggers a challenge for the player made them pretty much impossible for AI factions to catch. My current campaign saw Resistance working on Hydra Containment, which means they've bagged at least one of the bastards. First time I have seen that.

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by noobermenschen:

My current campaign saw Resistance working on Hydra Containment, which means they've bagged at least one of the bastards. First time I have seen that.

It wasn't so unusual in the past. The ones that gained the ability to see them early often at least got one kill.