how to attack alien administration?

[Toenails10]

Aliens finally landed in China in 2045, they have invaded several countries elsewhere.
i have fought them off with multiple armies and defeated them, but i can't seem to attack the countries they have controlled?
My armies are all allied with each other, have Navies, and are at war with Aliens.
it just won't allow me to move my armies into the invaded countries?

also i have taken all control points of Italy, have 2 Italian armies there, but they are part of the "Alien Federation", how do i get them out of the federation?, they have actually parked one of their armies their right beside mine, but i can't fight them because of the old federation.

[LorDC]

You mentioned navies. Are you, by any chance, trying to do a naval invasion? If yes, then you have to have a higher "freedom of seas" then your enemy. You can look it up a nation window in top right part near miltech.

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by Toenails10:

also i have taken all control points of Italy, have 2 Italian armies there, but they are part of the "Alien Federation", how do i get them out of the federation?

Once you consolidate executive control in Italy, you can leave the Alien Federation with Set National Policy just like any other federation.
Alternatively, launch a coup. You probably don't want to do that, but it is an option.

[corisai]

Originally posted by Toenails10:

Aliens finally landed in China in 2045

If you want to defend AA - you also should have a way to deal with their nukes ;)

[Gustuv Wynd]

I tried moving my armies in to attack it and the stupid servants kept dropping a nuke in the region as my armies were close to winning. So I reloaded and I just kept sending my councilor to attack it. When buffed by operations I was able get my 25 command councilor up to a 10% chance. After a couple tries I got lucky and rolled well.

[ian.whitchurch]

Originally posted by Gustuv Wynd:

the stupid servants kept dropping a nuke in the region as my armies were close to winning. So I reloaded

Medals and commendations to the brave officers who chose to expend all our weapons in defense of our friends and allies who well help us save Earth !

You just saw a good example of the AI being compentent - if you want some of your armies to survive nuclear bombardment, you need to not have them in a single stack.

Or you can use savescumming. The #1 resort of cheats when faced with competent AI.

[gimmethegepgun]

There's also Army Nuclear Hardening, which will reduce damage dealt by nukes to your armies to I think 75%.
Really, though, you need to seize the nukes from Servant countries and either keep the country, use the nukes yourself, or dismantle them.

[Gustuv Wynd]

Originally posted by ian.whitchurch:

Originally posted by Gustuv Wynd:

the stupid servants kept dropping a nuke in the region as my armies were close to winning. So I reloaded

Medals and commendations to the brave officers who chose to expend all our weapons in defense of our friends and allies who well help us save Earth !

You just saw a good example of the AI being compentent - if you want some of your armies to survive nuclear bombardment, you need to not have them in a single stack.

Or you can use savescumming. The #1 resort of cheats when faced with competent AI.

Oh i tried save scuming...every time when victory was close they would drop that nuke. So I gave up on the army approach and managed to do with my councilor.

Only thing I didn't get was that the aliens probably didn't like it either.

[nephilimnexus]

Originally posted by corisai:

If you want to defend AA - you also should have a way to deal with their nukes ;)

They problem with AI & their nukes isn't that they nuke your countries, rather that they nuke themselves just to kill your army units that are invading them.

The AI is amazingly stupid that way.

[ian.whitchurch]

Originally posted by nephilimnexus:

Originally posted by corisai:

If you want to defend AA - you also should have a way to deal with their nukes ;)

They problem with AI & their nukes isn't that they nuke your countries, rather that they nuke themselves just to kill your army units that are invading them.

The AI is amazingly stupid that way.

What you are describing is literally the nuclear doctrine of all nuclear powers.

[Mavrah]

Each army needs its own individual naval support to be able to move over the water.
If you have the war and the naval superiority it may be that you don't have an overland route to reach the target territory. Every country your armies pass through need to either be allies or enemies.

[Toenails10]

i figured out how to attack aliens, it all had to do with alliances and such.
meanwhile they have expanded rapidly on earth, i am taking back a few countries at a time, but they seem to have control of the seas now, so i can't get across the ocean to help with my good armies, need to find a way to control the seas again.

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by Toenails10:

i figured out how to attack aliens, it all had to do with alliances and such.
meanwhile they have expanded rapidly on earth, i am taking back a few countries at a time, but they seem to have control of the seas now, so i can't get across the ocean to help with my good armies, need to find a way to control the seas again.

Simplest answer: destroy their navy-equipped armies.
There are 2 main ways to do this.
One is to declare war on them and hope that they try to invade somewhere you can muster enough armies to defeat their navy-equipped armies.
The other is to start chucking nukes at things.

[noobermenschen]

Originally posted by gimmethegepgun:

Originally posted by Toenails10:

i figured out how to attack aliens, it all had to do with alliances and such.
meanwhile they have expanded rapidly on earth, i am taking back a few countries at a time, but they seem to have control of the seas now, so i can't get across the ocean to help with my good armies, need to find a way to control the seas again.

Simplest answer: destroy their navy-equipped armies.
There are 2 main ways to do this.
One is to declare war on them and hope that they try to invade somewhere you can muster enough armies to defeat their navy-equipped armies.
The other is to start chucking nukes at things.

I have read that driving up their unrest will result in a revolution, But I watch the AA in my campaign and their cohesion drops to 5 with a rest point at 0 and their unrest is headed for the ceiling, then a few weeks later cohesion is at 8.5 headed for 10 and cohesion rest point is at 0. What is going on with this bipolar society?

I conducted a live fire test against an Ayy army stack (the tech 7.5 units) and found orbital bombardment to be: 1) Theoretically possible and 2) Not very practical, requiring a large # of powerful ships and a lot of time. Don't have the resources yet but I will likely have the time. Has anyone tried this?

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by noobermenschen:

I have read that driving up their unrest will result in a revolution, But I watch the AA in my campaign and their cohesion drops to 5 with a rest point at 0 and their unrest is headed for the ceiling, then a few weeks later cohesion is at 8.5 headed for 10 and cohesion rest point is at 0. What is going on with this bipolar society?

Cohesion is most likely rising due to it declaring war. Whenever a nation declares war, it gains 1 Cohesion. The AA also always runs Unity, albeit not at a very high percentage, which will help keep it up when it gets pretty large.
Unrest is dropping because aliens and likely Servants are running Stabilize in it. Surveil the capitol and you'll likely find a bunch of ayys to stuff into some kind of box, pine or otherwise.
You can also try nuking it to kill the ayys there, though it's probably finished a space defense facility there, which will prevent it, and all ayys have Survivor, which I'm pretty sure lowers the chance of dying to nukes.

I conducted a live fire test against an Ayy army stack (the tech 7.5 units) and found orbital bombardment to be: 1) Theoretically possible and 2) Not very practical, requiring a large # of powerful ships and a lot of time. Don't have the resources yet but I will likely have the time. Has anyone tried this?

Orbital bombardment is very bad at destroying armies, because the daily damage has difficulty overcoming army regen. However, it will help enormously when that army is engaged in battle with another.
Also, it depends on what you're using to bombard. While green lasers CAN bombard Earth through its atmosphere, they're quite poor at it. 500km is pretty far for lasers (though you can fire from closer by using ISS or Tiangong orbits), and they lose a lot of their power due to the atmosphere. Kinetics will fare MUCH better.

[noobermenschen]

Originally posted by gimmethegepgun:

Originally posted by noobermenschen:

I have read that driving up their unrest will result in a revolution, But I watch the AA in my campaign and their cohesion drops to 5 with a rest point at 0 and their unrest is headed for the ceiling, then a few weeks later cohesion is at 8.5 headed for 10 and cohesion rest point is at 0. What is going on with this bipolar society?

Cohesion is most likely rising due to it declaring war. Whenever a nation declares war, it gains 1 Cohesion. The AA also always runs Unity, albeit not at a very high percentage, which will help keep it up when it gets pretty large.
Unrest is dropping because aliens and likely Servants are running Stabilize in it. Surveil the capitol and you'll likely find a bunch of ayys to stuff into some kind of box, pine or otherwise.
You can also try nuking it to kill the ayys there, though it's probably finished a space defense facility there, which will prevent it, and all ayys have Survivor, which I'm pretty sure lowers the chance of dying to nukes.

I conducted a live fire test against an Ayy army stack (the tech 7.5 units) and found orbital bombardment to be: 1) Theoretically possible and 2) Not very practical, requiring a large # of powerful ships and a lot of time. Don't have the resources yet but I will likely have the time. Has anyone tried this?

Orbital bombardment is very bad at destroying armies, because the daily damage has difficulty overcoming army regen. However, it will help enormously when that army is engaged in battle with another.
Also, it depends on what you're using to bombard. While green lasers CAN bombard Earth through its atmosphere, they're quite poor at it. 500km is pretty far for lasers (though you can fire from closer by using ISS or Tiangong orbits), and they lose a lot of their power due to the atmosphere. Kinetics will fare MUCH better.

I am hoping they will run out of countries to snap up soon. I have tied most of the world's remaining nations, spread among three factions [Edit: actually four, always hard to think of those Initiative bastards as allies], into a grand alliance. By the grace of a no doubt exasperated God peace may destroy our enemy.

I was going to question the difficulty of Stabilize Nation on an economy as large as the AA (6 control points) as I left no particularly skilled Servant councilors alive, but public opinion is no doubt helping buff their missions.

Failing that I am hoping bombardment damage will scale up from my first live fire exercise with Mk 2 coilers on destroyers. I will conduct another soon with Mk 3 coilers on battleships. I suspect to overcome regeneration, especially in their "home" region, it will take lancers, which I will build if necessary but am hoping to avoid.

I have time to wait I think. Thank you for the advice! :)