Any point in China?

[Eclipse]

China is very hard to control as it has the biggest GDP,but gives very little benefit. Science is lower than in US and mil. tech is like 0.8 lower. I think this mechanics based on GDP is a bit wrong. Though may be potentially you can develop China’s military,but how long it takes to close the 0.8 gap? Several years I think.

[cswiger]

The main advantage of China-- and India-- are high populations, which matter more to some factions depending upon their win conditions. However, getting another power center like EU, Russia, or the US to start with and then expanding to China later on is probably a better plan.

[Paragon]

The USA is far more competitive early game and militarily all game, but a well run china (or india for that matter) can economically eclipse it in just a few years. Since economy and research investments scale with population, a single point invested in china is worth over 4 times what it is in the USA.

This makes china a country with massive economic and research potential. The Pan-Asian combine superstate research allows it to potentially encompass all of SE asia, Japan, Australia/NZ, and even parts of siberia, giving it over 2 billion to work with. The USA has a far more tame expansion path by comparison.

Ideally you'd want both - the USA early on for its strong and balanced base and powerful military, and China later on for economic development. Its probably ideal to make the USA a military superpower to take advantage of its 6 overseas capable armies, while china delivers exponential economic development.

[Kadrush]

Usually a single councillor with very high persuation is more than enough to take china. China has a huge population, meaning that if you are very popular in there (place about 8% in unity) you will receive a lot of influence. Also, if if you invest enough in education China can be a power house in research. China has a lot of investiment points if you want to pimp them up to a be a military power and fight of invasions.

[Eclipse]

Originally posted by Kadrush:

Usually a single councillor with very high persuation is more than enough to take china. China has a huge population, meaning that if you are very popular in there (place about 8% in unity) you will receive a lot of influence. Also, if if you invest enough in education China can be a power house in research. China has a lot of investiment points if you want to pimp them up to a be a military power and fight of invasions.

It has militech lvl of Middle East and Eastern Europe countries. I guess for balancing purposes, but how many years are needed to make it at least 5.5 in militech?

[Kadrush]

Originally posted by Eclipse:

Originally posted by Kadrush:

Usually a single councillor with very high persuation is more than enough to take china. China has a huge population, meaning that if you are very popular in there (place about 8% in unity) you will receive a lot of influence. Also, if if you invest enough in education China can be a power house in research. China has a lot of investiment points if you want to pimp them up to a be a military power and fight of invasions.

It has militech lvl of Middle East and Eastern Europe countries. I guess for balancing purposes, but how many years are needed to make it at least 5.5 in militech?

In my last run (abandoned due to the layered defense bug) I was playing on hard and expecting the alien invasion in 2030 or 2032 (i was right). I got China on 2024 and by 2030 it was already at 5.0, I had to ignore inequality to do that, but had to disperse the investment points a bit on navy so those armies could get anywhere. Just remember to make material labs in orbit up to the limit of the bonus.

[Eclipse]

Originally posted by Kadrush:

Originally posted by Eclipse:

It has militech lvl of Middle East and Eastern Europe countries. I guess for balancing purposes, but how many years are needed to make it at least 5.5 in militech?

In my last run (abandoned due to the layered defense bug) I was playing on hard and expecting the alien invasion in 2030 or 2032 (i was right). I got China on 2024 and by 2030 it was already at 5.0, I had to ignore inequality to do that, but had to disperse the investment points a bit on navy so those armies could get anywhere. Just remember to make material labs in orbit up to the limit of the bonus.

5.0 isn’t enough to fight aliens I think. But China has 4 nuclear barraged though.

[Damedius]

China is over rated I think. Too hard to get early and it falls off compared to India. The only country that can have the Miltech to match the aliens by the time they start landing troops is the U.S.

[Eclipse]

Originally posted by Damedius:

China is over rated I think. Too hard to get early and it falls off compared to India. The only country that can have the Miltech to match the aliens by the time they start landing troops is the U.S.

I wonder why China’s militech is lower than Poland’s/Romania’s/Saudi Arabian’s?Makes little sense to be fair. Anyway seems like for humanity first or resistance China isn’t a good choice.

[流れ星]

Originally posted by Eclipse:

Originally posted by Damedius:

China is over rated I think. Too hard to get early and it falls off compared to India. The only country that can have the Miltech to match the aliens by the time they start landing troops is the U.S.

I wonder why China’s militech is lower than Poland’s/Romania’s/Saudi Arabian’s?Makes little sense to be fair. Anyway seems like for humanity first or resistance China isn’t a good choice.

The entire game reeks of white liberal supremacism. China's absurdly low tech level is only one of the many questionable game design decisions.

[Pawleus]

Instead of making absurd accusations you should probably learn first what Miltech means in the game - it's definitely not a tech level.

[lemurs2]

Originally posted by 流れ星:

Originally posted by Eclipse:

I wonder why China’s militech is lower than Poland’s/Romania’s/Saudi Arabian’s?Makes little sense to be fair. Anyway seems like for humanity first or resistance China isn’t a good choice.

The entire game reeks of white liberal supremacism. China's absurdly low tech level is only one of the many questionable game design decisions.

I agree, the democracy scores are also rather Western in nature. Not realistic at all.

[Damedius]

Originally posted by Pawleus:

Instead of making absurd accusations you should probably learn first what Miltech means in the game - it's definitely not a tech level.

It literally is tech level.

Industrial Age 2-3
Atomic Age 3-4
Information Age 4-5
Robotics Age 5-6
Invasion Age 6-7
Fusion Age 7+

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by Damedius:

Originally posted by Pawleus:

Instead of making absurd accusations you should probably learn first what Miltech means in the game - it's definitely not a tech level.

It literally is tech level.

Industrial Age 2-3
Atomic Age 3-4
Information Age 4-5
Robotics Age 5-6
Invasion Age 6-7
Fusion Age 7+

If you mouse over it, the game says it "represents the capability of the nation's armed forces."
That description is not necessarily tech level. It would also encompass doctrine, professionalism, and penetration of technology throughout their forces.

[Eclipse]

Originally posted by gimmethegepgun:

Originally posted by Damedius:

It literally is tech level.

Industrial Age 2-3
Atomic Age 3-4
Information Age 4-5
Robotics Age 5-6
Invasion Age 6-7
Fusion Age 7+

If you mouse over it, the game says it "represents the capability of the nation's armed forces."
That description is not necessarily tech level. It would also encompass doctrine, professionalism, and penetration of technology throughout their forces.

This is even less belieable I guess. I seriously doubt that Romanian forces have better tech, professionalism, and penetration of technology throughout their forces. I think it was done for balance purposes. Still the drawback is huge and to close the gap in case of China several years are needed. And you might not have strong enough army in 2030.

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by Eclipse:

I seriously doubt that Romanian forces have better tech, professionalism, and penetration of technology throughout their forces.

With the sheer size of the Chinese military, do you believe that they have adequately equipped most of it to 21st-century standards? That's what penetration means.
Not that we've had any real shakedown of the Chinese military in recent history, mind you. Who knows what problems might turn up if they got into an actual conflict, like what we saw with Russia in Ukraine.