Unification ?

[EstebanT]

Hi all,

I have both China and Russia. I got control of some small countries between the two. I would like to merge them with either.

I'm not quite sure about the procedings.

I need more than alliance ? They must be in same federation ?

Is there a simpler late game trick to merge big nations late game ? I read the unify the world guide but it seems very hard :)

I wished that after having total control of big nations I could just get them to merge facing alien menace...

[DaBa]

I don't think you can unify Russia and China, at least I haven't seen unification projects for that. You can create a massive EU state by absorbing all of the European countries, along with Russia, Turkey and their neighbors. You can also absorb China's neighbors into it.

As for actual unification mechanics, you first need to be allies, then you need to join a federation, then you have to go to the federation leader and choose to absorb one of the federated countries. However, that is only possible if you have a claim on that nation's territory. So, for ex: for EU to absorb Russia, you need to have claim on Russia's territories. Normally you do not and you have to research a project first that gives you that.

So, if you want to unify Russia and China, you need to find a tech that gives either China o Russia claim on other nation's territories, then become allies, then enter into a federation, then choose to unify them.

[Eltoron]

To join another nation absorbing nation need to have claim on target nation capital. There is no other way to merge. And no. You have no total control over country. You have influence over this country leadership. Influence, not control. And this influence is enough to make USA wage war against India, but not enough to make USA and Idia leaders and citizens to dream to live in one country without any background. But you can research some faction projects brining some reasonable unification ideas to the crowd.

[nephilimnexus]

Three levels:

1) Allies - any country can do this with another.
2) Federation - requires social tech.
3) Unification - some, but not all, nations within a Federation.

A single federation can, in theory, come to encompass the globe but your unification options will only extend to what listed as claims in the tech to create that federation. Check your archive if unsure.

So while America can technically join the European Union, it cannon for Unity with them because the EU tech doesn't give any claims (to France) on America.

[RiseOfDeath]

I'm currently only saw researches for "destructing" big countries and some for Warsaw Pact countries (gives Eurasian Union claims to ex Warsaw pact territories).

[Patrus]

From my experience, if you have two countries, one has a claim on the other, you want do unify them, but they are not in a federation - the simplest way is to simply declare war and conquer one of the countries (which should be easy if you control them both) and boom, they are unified.
Getting into an alliance, then federation, then unification is a very long process and it can wreck your military technology level.

[StickMenMaster]

There are numerous unification projects. With a "proper" timing, you can unify a lot of various things - for example, EU has a claim on the UK, UK has a claim on commonwealth, Australia has a claim on some pacific stuff.

So if you start going backwards Australia first, then commonwealth (include Canada for fun), then EU, you can end up with EU being on all inhabited continents (and it can absorb Russia too).

But I don't believe there are chains that would give you everything, for example, I don't think the America can be totally unified, I believe you can get Northern/Central and South America entities, but not one super entity (I don't remember, you may be able to merge Northern and Central, but not sure). Africa I think can have like two, Asia goes to China, India and Caliphate, Europe and Russia can become one (from either side).

Also, in general, it's much faster to unify via wars than allied/federation/unification chain which can be sped up with two projects, but still takes like four months (from taking over), while via war it can take a couple of turn including taking over. An exception to that may be some largeish countries and if your unification target has armies (well, except if you took over, you can of course disband or move the armies away, but that again takes time).

[Eltoron]

Originally posted by StickManMaster:

There are numerous unification projects. With a "proper" timing, you can unify a lot of various things - for example, EU has a claim on the UK, UK has a claim on commonwealth, Australia has a claim on some pacific stuff.

So if you start going backwards Australia first, then commonwealth (include Canada for fun), then EU, you can end up with EU being on all inhabited continents (and it can absorb Russia too).

But I don't believe there are chains that would give you everything, for example, I don't think the America can be totally unified, I believe you can get Northern/Central and South America entities, but not one super entity (I don't remember, you may be able to merge Northern and Central, but not sure). Africa I think can have like two, Asia goes to China, India and Caliphate, Europe and Russia can become one (from either side).

Also, in general, it's much faster to unify via wars than allied/federation/unification chain which can be sped up with two projects, but still takes like four months (from taking over), while via war it can take a couple of turn including taking over. An exception to that may be some largeish countries and if your unification target has armies (well, except if you took over, you can of course disband or move the armies away, but that again takes time).

Sometimes you want to save target country armies. You get them after unification and you lose them in case of conquest. For example if you went with Arab League and later switching to Chaliphate you want to incorporate AL peacefuly.

[corisai]

Originally posted by StickManMaster:

An exception to that may be some largeish countries and if your unification target has armies (well, except if you took over, you can of course disband or move the armies away, but that again takes time).

Another exception - if you don't have claims for every region of target country but have a claim on their capital.

War in that case will lead to loosing control on regions without claim.

Peaceful unification with target country Cohesion >=5 will lead to you gaining everything.

[StickMenMaster]

Originally posted by corisai:

Another exception - if you don't have claims for every region of target country but have a claim on their capital.

War in that case will lead to loosing control on regions without claim.

Peaceful unification with target country Cohesion >=5 will lead to you gaining everything.

Ah, I didn't know that, thanks!