About Phoenix

[void]

When the Servants win, all nations on earth will be transferred to the alien nation.
as they are immune to purges and coups, other then wait a rebellion, are there any method to take a land back without an country on earth?
and since it is a world wide nation, the populate make public campaign and increase unrest has a success rate nearly 0 even with 25 stats. how to solve it? or is it just I missed the technology?

[gimmethegepgun]

steeldog님이 먼저 게시:

gimmethegepgun님이 먼저 게시:

Nuclear missiles are unable to bombard through atmosphere, so you can't nuke Earth with them.

strange limitation :/

Not really, at least with respect to Earth. The Nuclear Weapons priority would become entirely pointless once you gain the ability to build nuclear-armed spaceships since it's so much easier to build them in space than it is to run the priority.
It is a little irritating that they can't nuke Titan, but you can at least justify it somewhat by them not being designed to operate in an atmosphere and thus lacking in flight capability and horribly non-aerodynamic.

[corisai]

steeldog님이 먼저 게시:

strange limitation :/

My guess - cheap trick to avoid:
a) complex mess with AI (to teach AI to use them as a weapon anywhere outside of Earth SOI).
b) illogical and immersion-breaking situations when counties ignore and fine with being attacked by nukes from orbit.

[rerollplay]

It was exhausting and long, but it is done~

I got space sufficient as the aliens began to take over the earth, and hid well well below alien threat level while I teched through most of the tree. I actually kinda had to help the aliens win on normal, which was humorous, since the servants were unable or unwilling to turn over their superpowers to the aliens and actually win so I took over one of them to bait them.

I was at a bit of a crossroads as to how to get it back. My initial thought was just to bombard the tanks from orbit (like 40 of them) and made some heavy coil bombardiers to do so. My reasoning was that, without the tanks, their unrest would naturally rise and the nation would splinter. They were unable to make things any better, because with that many tanks, they had 0 points left to actually invest anywhere. Unfortunately, once the tanks were gone, they had their economy freed up to keep unrest down, and the earth-nation was way too much for my counselors to affect.

So... I kinda obliterated India from orbit. Turns out you can attack anywhere on the map to do massive economic damage, though the underlying number of people in a specific territory are affected by the orbital bombardment. This was supposed to be an atrocity, but it didn't seem to increase my atrocities, I guess since the aliens owned it. A horrific 2 billion people dead later, the Alien nation was back to basically no points, no tanks, and a light coil rain. Eventually Italy broke free, as did others. Mali was second; I took it over and direct-invested my way to tanks, clearing a path to Ethiopia to form up the African Union. Once I had a big enough nation that the aliens couldn't really harm it (with all the techs I had), it was a long process of clearing most every province one at a time. Unfortunately, despite my disarming all nukes early in the game, someone made a bunch more, and the aliens had them. I didn't want to build 41 tanks and/or supercharge my military rating, so my counselors eventually were able to inspire revolt. Almost by accident, actually. I tried hard twice, gave up, and then left a few there just to keep the aliens busy, but instead they got distracted building structures and I had assassinated all of the servants except a mole. The mole was the only one who showed up to help lower unrest unlike every other time. First time that has come in so clutch, as he could have stopped me. (Killing the aliens doesn't work, as they seem to be able to hire alien agents once the nation's formed, so don't make it harder than it needs to be by trying to fight them).

Earth was mine, huzzah~ The long war in space began then. Pretty common from there - expand to jupiter, fortify and strip mine, expand to Saturn, fortify and strip mine, etc. The aliens thankfully didn't build up more ships than they needed, and they only started building in earnest once I started taking the earth back, so really we were on decently even footing. Still took me a long time because I needed so much material to fight back, resulting in a win with Earth clear and 24% forces in space around year 2100.

Overall, the experience of a ragtag Resistance fighting back against unimaginable odds was a narrative kinda undercut by some of the actions taken, but an achievement's an achievement~

[noobermenschen]

rerollplay님이 먼저 게시:

(Killing the aliens doesn't work, as they seem to be able to hire alien agents once the nation's formed, so don't make it harder than it needs to be by trying to fight them)

If there is an alien hab anywhere on Earth, they can recruit new Councilors there.

Congratulations! :) And thank you for the tips. What type of ships were you using for bombardment duties and how many?

[edit] Also, I have read Resistance gets another kick ass org if Servants or Protectorate gain their victory - Is this true or did someone make that up?

[rerollplay]

I didn't get one if it is true, so probably not.

[steeldog]

by the way. it's not so easy to let them win )))
when i decided that time had come to let them win - the only alien left on earth. they arent sending a new ones. they arent sending a troops after i destroyed several transports... :(
servants even don't want to give india to aliens...

looks like it isn't like just to succumb. you have to Help them )))
super logical )))

[steeldog]

have done it at 67. as usually everything that local gurus(for example @void) said turned out total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ )))
at 47 i finally had accumulated founds and had built space infrastructure.
but turned out that aliens just can't win without help )))
who was saying that it's like you need to full them around and just pretend that you loose? who? void? corisai? gimmethegepgun? someone of them. so in my case it was total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, so as they are saying usually. so i had to help them win giving them country by country, leading and protecting )))
at 53 aliens finally managed to win, so i started build ships.
at 55 i destroyed all their fleets and bases + destroyed all armies on earth (it was 70+).
2 dreadnoughts with 250 frontal enough to destroy PD
at 56 i decreased income from 75000Bn to 20000Bn for 4 month
oh void was so whining that it's so difficult almost impossible )))) actually 4 month of bombing using 18 dreadnoughts and they have no enough income to fight against unrest )
then revolutions. i got Hamburg and Brasil.
then conquer provinces one by one after killing all experienced councillors of other factions. becouse even your "allyes" will try to do rebelion in your free countries. greetings to them who like diplomatic system of game )))) all factions won't care about aliens and will try to make you ♥♥♥♥ )))
so at 67 i conquered almost all countries. the rest i got using unrests, to prevent nuclear war.
actually it cuold be done earlier just by increasing unrest when chance became high.

[BlueOrange]

There's an achievement in Plate Up to set one of your restaurant customers on fire. The idea that achievements have to have to do with winning is a very limited view.

[void]

The difficulty I faced was due to land army heal faster than bombardment. then with enough army, alien wont need to fight unrest, the resting point is 0

so when you can use bombardment to destory land army, anything else is not important
there's so many patch since I completed it, both bombardment and unrest have changes.

[steeldog]

BlueOrange님이 먼저 게시:

The idea that achievements have to have to do with winning is a very limited view.

the idea that achievements, related to winning, don't have to do with winning is a very limited view. ;) phoenix deafinitely is achievement related to winning ;)

[steeldog]

void님이 먼저 게시:

The difficulty I faced was due to land army heal faster than bombardment. then with enough army, alien wont need to fight unrest, the resting point is 0

so when you can use bombardment to destory land army, anything else is not important
there's so many patch since I completed it, both bombardment and unrest have changes.

at the end i had 15-20 dreadnoughts which destroy army for 3 day. building enough ships isn't difficulty, it's just shipyards*time. i think at any versions.

[gimmethegepgun]

steeldog님이 먼저 게시:

BlueOrange님이 먼저 게시:

The idea that achievements have to have to do with winning is a very limited view.

the idea that achievements, related to winning, don't have to do with winning is a very limited view. ;) phoenix deafinitely is achievement related to winning ;)

It's in response to your argumentative posts from a few months ago such as this one:

steeldog님이 먼저 게시:

gimmethegepgun님이 먼저 게시:

Why would they do that?

because it's stupid to succumb when playing for Resistance to make this achievement.
I feel sorry for you, that you can't understand such obvious thing )

[BlueOrange]

steeldog님이 먼저 게시:

BlueOrange님이 먼저 게시:

The idea that achievements have to have to do with winning is a very limited view.

the idea that achievements, related to winning, don't have to do with winning is a very limited view. ;) phoenix deafinitely is achievement related to winning ;)

It's a stupidly difficult and largely unnecessary thing that happens to be possible. Like half the rest of the achievements on Steam.

[steeldog]

gimmethegepgun님이 먼저 게시:

steeldog님이 먼저 게시:

the idea that achievements, related to winning, don't have to do with winning is a very limited view. ;) phoenix deafinitely is achievement related to winning ;)

It's in response to your argumentative posts from a few months ago such as this one:

steeldog님이 먼저 게시:

because it's stupid to succumb when playing for Resistance to make this achievement.
I feel sorry for you, that you can't understand such obvious thing )

so what?

[steeldog]

BlueOrange님이 먼저 게시:

steeldog님이 먼저 게시:

the idea that achievements, related to winning, don't have to do with winning is a very limited view. ;) phoenix deafinitely is achievement related to winning ;)

It's a stupidly difficult and largely unnecessary thing that happens to be possible. Like half the rest of the achievements on Steam.

maybe authors considered it's funny. there is similar achievement here. something like loose in case 99% chance. but the rest half is: win as/with/by X. and usually it's +/- logical