Great Europe Not worth it?

[Lucian]

How are your Feelings with huge combined nations. I Made great Europe incl. Russian federation, but it doesnt feel worth.

You will be permanently attacked by enemy agents and the economical power is Power then for europe and russian federation individuality.

[Grahor]

Akshually, going bigger is not always the answer - you get bonuses, but you get maluses too. At some point negatives outweight positives.

[khanonius]

There are two important things and for me only reason to create bigger nations:

• they are cheaper in CP - it is impossible to keep China, India, Russia, USA, Canada, EU countries without merging them but with merging some of them it is
  
• bigger GDP == harder enemy agents missions

Actually I do not merge Russia as for me this is excelent spoiling country, like 100% spoil all the time.

[adobo]

Having big countries means you get keep CP use down and lets you grab another country. If you value the economic efficiency of a smaller country, you can release Germany and put 100% into military and pull up the EU's miltech. The only value Russia has is the 30 nukes, other than that its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ mid size country. You're better off using UK for that economic flexible role of a mid sized country and as a bonus you can unify the Commonwealth.

[Lucian]

Okay, what are these malusses of big federations? I often noticed that simple math will not do the Job, when both countries single have 10 BIP, it doesnt mean that after merging it have 20. Usually its much lower 🙈

[Lovecraft]

Yeah, IP equals the cube root of GDP. So if you join eight nations that each get x IP (8x total), the united nation only gets 2x IP.

So big nations are bad for MC, boost, and funding.

[Lucian]

So basically, US, China are much better Option then europe, not speaking of great Europe 🙈 Putting russia into IT was big mistake.

Only good Point is, you need less CP, which is fine but maybe just not worth it.

[jackhickman999]

Originally posted by Lucian:

So basically, US, China are much better Option then europe, not speaking of great Europe 🙈 Putting russia into IT was big mistake.

Only good Point is, you need less CP, which is fine but maybe just not worth it.

India can get stronger than the EU and it can definitely beat the Eurasian Union. That's the power of large pop countries.

[RawCode]

all form of unifications are aimed to bully other factions and there is some backlash included.

real power comes from population, if you have 15 dollars per capita GDP and 1.5b nation, your eco will grow 10 times faster then nation with 150m and if you run spoils in Russia and put everything into India you will get 6 slot megastate in a year and won't actually loss any investement points from going spoils due to population size amplification.

[b...]

Also you can do some fun stuff (not optimal, but fun) With combining megastates. Like after dissolution of Eurasian union you reabsorb all the states into russia again then unify it via Great Europa (you get claim on Moscow so you can). Pretty sure you can Absorb caliphate throug turkestan into Europe the same way if you manipulate capital to be Baku

[xinfur]

Don't forget the missions. With a hard cap on the number of councilors having fewer but bigger countries is more effective imho. "Advise" grows economy and science like crazy and helps their mil tech when fighting but binds a councilor per country. Then u want to defend interests there, maybe stabilize now and then or public campaign and u have to attack alien assets all the time. That way more than 2-3 countries are not manageable to full potential, so make them count (turn them into megacountries).

[Pappus]

Originally posted by Lucian:

So basically, US, China are much better Option then europe, not speaking of great Europe 🙈 Putting russia into IT was big mistake.

Only good Point is, you need less CP, which is fine but maybe just not worth it.

Depends Europe is very strong when you do 100% boost before merging for example. The small parts all have a good amount of IP and when you then merge it the boost merges without problems. You then merge to have the capacity for more stuff and surveil more at once etc but also advise more at once

[76561198859928956]

Great nations in general don't really seem worth it to me in most cases, let alone the weird wombo combo monstrosities when you start combining them.

Smaller nations have better cohesion, more efficient investment point generation, much, much cheaper direct investment costs and are much less annoying to lose to aliens. Obviously, there are advantages to big nations too but it's a trade off, and when you get too big the disadvantages start to outweigh the advantages.

There are some exceptions. If you're doing some kind of Africa only challenge run it's definately worth going for the African Union as soon as possible, but most of the time spending that much research on having a big blob on the map is kind of sub-optimal.

Also, if you are space-rushing uniting the EU is a far better opening than China or the US. You can end up with so much mission control you'll probably get yourself immediately destroyed because the aliens fear your hab spam.

[Barleyman]

What about armies, navies and nukes? Also better to build as many small countries rather than 1 blob?

[Sovieticozasz]

one important thing i find in my games is that very big nations can have easily a great number of pop and a LOT of GDP makin them literally inmune to enemy concilor missions. So you can ignore defense completelly on them

[Synopse]

Unifying is a trade off decision. It has to be planed ahead. Just painting the map is not the best way to do it. Like others said, there are reasons to not unify certain states. For me it turned out to be a good strategy to merge only states with similar stats and purpose. And I only merge to free CP or reduce the micromanagement on earth.