Humanity First is irrational

[Svechin]

Im playing the Resistance, no matter how many aliens I destroy, Humanity First seems to think it's better to attack me that to attack the aliens. I have no attacked them for years and yet they target me over and over again while leaving aliens in their own territory.

This seems weird to me, you would think you would get a political bonus with them for relentlessly attacking aliens or the Servants, but nooooo let's keep messing with the only group that is killing aliens!

Any logic explainable?

[Enclave_Agent]

There is none, it's just like AI is programed, it's a usual behavior for AI in such games, but looks like devs have forgotten, that main goal here is not world dominance like usually in similar games, but kill \ win Aliens and for at least HF they have to be main enemy, not player, but alas, no fun and allies for us.

[Zuul]

Did you previously attack them? Are you controlling the majority of valuable territory? Are you shutting them out of prime space real estate? Is your existence making it fundamentally harder for them to acquire the power necessary for wholesale alien slaughter?

Then you’re a target.

[Gary]

It sounds like there is a pretty strong anti-player bias built into the AI.

Good to know since I've not bought the game. I hate that ♥♥♥♥. I want games where the factions behave like they should. Not some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ attack the player to make the game more "challenging."

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Svechin:

Im playing the Resistance, no matter how many aliens I destroy, Humanity First seems to think it's better to attack me that to attack the aliens. I have no attacked them for years and yet they target me over and over again while leaving aliens in their own territory.

This seems weird to me, you would think you would get a political bonus with them for relentlessly attacking aliens or the Servants, but nooooo let's keep messing with the only group that is killing aliens!

Any logic explainable?

Genocidal extremists are irrational?
Color me suprised.

[Mistfox]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by Svechin:

Im playing the Resistance, no matter how many aliens I destroy, Humanity First seems to think it's better to attack me that to attack the aliens. I have no attacked them for years and yet they target me over and over again while leaving aliens in their own territory.

This seems weird to me, you would think you would get a political bonus with them for relentlessly attacking aliens or the Servants, but nooooo let's keep messing with the only group that is killing aliens!

Any logic explainable?

Genocidal extremists are irrational?
Color me suprised.

Yeah but at least even genocidal extremists know how to pick their targets. I would really prefer that the AI sees other factions as targets as well, for example, attacking and bombing other faction's hubs as aliens instead of just me. Don't tell me that HF is a less pleasing target than a moderate Resistance? Yet I don't see any HF bases being burned, only mine.

[76561198859928956]

Basically, none of the faction goals or ideologies are really compatible and only one can unite humanity behind its agenda and win. Even factions that seem ideologically close to each other are opposing each other, they are just more inclined to tolerate each other provided they aren't competing over the same resources.

As long as the AI doesn't consider itself to be at war with you, you can sometimes improve its attitude by making generous trades, but that just seems to make it focus you less and avoid more extreme actions like assassinating your councillors. It doesn't make you friends.

In my experience Humanity First is the most aggressive faction by far. They will declare war on you if you look at them funny. They will declare war on half the factions at the same time and get dogpiled. They hate everyone and everything. You cannot reason with them, you just have to keep them away from nuclear weapons.

They will probably calm down eventually, but they will never agree to just leave you alone and let you have your own sphere of influence because that's essentially conceding victory to you.

[Aranador]

Humanity First believes the resistance are a bunch of foolish idealists, and they need to prove that their ideology is strong in order to attract all the followers of yours over to their cause. Also Aliens are all like, up in the sky so they need rockets and you got em they want em so they're taking yours as is their right because theirs is the only way.

[adobo]

Have you been messing with them? They were pretty much fighting the Servants for scraps after everyone else took all the major powers. They did have some success taking the middle powers and their biggest haul was pulling a coup on Russia, which I cracked down on while it was a mess.

[Mistfox]

In return, my rebuttal is, "What about the aliens then?". HF bases should also be on their target list for some "cleansing", yet only my bases tend to be bombed?

[Zuul]

Originally posted by Mistfox:

In return, my rebuttal is, "What about the aliens then?". HF bases should also be on their target list for some "cleansing", yet only my bases tend to be bombed?

Their ideology doesn't matter one whit to the Aliens.

Imagine the following scenario.

You are in the middle of the street. One gentleman is screaming profanity at you from the sidewalk, howling that you're the biggest POS the world has ever seen. He wants you to die in the most horrible fashion imaginable. He's fairly scrawny, emaciated, suffers from a severe lisp, and drools occasionally.

Meanwhile, Brock Lesner is standing next to you in the street burying a shiv in your kidneys. He's very polite though, and doesn't really have anything unpleasant to say about you. He thinks you're kind of nice in your own way.

Which of these two do you consider to be the greater threat?

Similarly, if you're having a large degree of success at pissing in the aliens cornflakes, and HF is just standing in a corner screaming obscenities and occasionally nuking the rest of the Human cattle....who do you think the aliens are going to choose to "cleanse"?

[db48x]

Check out the release notes for the next version:

- added difficulty setting targeting human player and "attack-the-leader" behavior. For the human player, AIs will only gain extra hate if they are the most powerful faction or have announced their win goals AND (this part is new) they are beyond a minimum ideological distance from the human player. That distance varies by difficulty. So on normal HF won't target Resistance player solely because Resistance player is winning (but Servants will). This is a pretty significant mid/late game muzzle for the AI and will get adjusted based on player feedback.

https://www.pavonisinteractive.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=29476

[Mistfox]

Originally posted by db48x:

Check out the release notes for the next version:

- added difficulty setting targeting human player and "attack-the-leader" behavior. For the human player, AIs will only gain extra hate if they are the most powerful faction or have announced their win goals AND (this part is new) they are beyond a minimum ideological distance from the human player. That distance varies by difficulty. So on normal HF won't target Resistance player solely because Resistance player is winning (but Servants will). This is a pretty significant mid/late game muzzle for the AI and will get adjusted based on player feedback.

https://www.pavonisinteractive.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=29476

Praise the Lord! Now pass the ammunition.

[Emperor Sigismund]

Originally posted by db48x:

Check out the release notes for the next version:

- added difficulty setting targeting human player and "attack-the-leader" behavior. For the human player, AIs will only gain extra hate if they are the most powerful faction or have announced their win goals AND (this part is new) they are beyond a minimum ideological distance from the human player. That distance varies by difficulty. So on normal HF won't target Resistance player solely because Resistance player is winning (but Servants will). This is a pretty significant mid/late game muzzle for the AI and will get adjusted based on player feedback.

Good to see this addressed. In my game Humanity First has basically done nothing expect occasionally target my nations, nations which the ONLY ones that are at war with the Alien Admin. Meanwhile The Servants are running about couping poor nations and gifting them to the aliens and it it would really nice if Humanity First weren't working for the aliens at this point. They even have a bunch of Russian armies that they could be using to take back Iran which the aliens took from them or nuke the doomstack of war machines sitting in China.