Lore wise whats the difference between Humanity first and the Resistance?

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[Prisoner 76561197992841073]

Humanity First believes the ends justify the means, whereas the Resistance don't.

If we're being honest, they both believe this but just to varying degrees.

[starshadow2010]

Resistance will commit xenocide if it's the only way to stop the Xenos.
Humanity First will commit xenocide BECAUSE they are Xenos. Hostile/Friendly/Neutral - ultimately, irrelevant.

[Riftwalker]

okay so the resistance is kira yoshikage, they just want to be left alone, and HF is Killer Queen.

[Enigmask]

Resistance: Get off my lawn

Humanity First: Your mistake was existing in the first place

[Aedile]

Funnily enough the game is pretty good at actually simulating the faction ideologies.

Humanity first are well - humans first or no humans at all. Best defense is good offence. AI controlled HF are pretty much the second most likely faction to cause a game over. So very much a fanatical very antagonistic faction you can't ignore. They will eventually pick a fight with most other factions (or the other way around). There is a lot of brinksmanship involved playing this one.

Resistance is more of "fortress earth" type of deal, pretty much the good guys. The resistance are well, unless you are servants, or to a small extent the protectorate, the faction which is sort of going to be great to be around. They won't build or use nukes for example, will not exploit nations and shift them towards democracy and peace - which in effect makes them (countries) incredibly stable, and pretty much impossible to take over.

Protectorate is sort of a dystopian survival, basically will sort of interfere stunt and screw up the nations they control. Probably the most annoying AI faction, and the lamest one to play. Basically their whole deal is blocking everyone, including the aliens from winning (or starting a war)

The Academy are the research faction. Winning with them is actually really hard...

PE are "space, space, space" - I don't want to live here anymore. Really fun to play actually, because you can either "we are leaving, screw the solar system", or "make the best so earth survives, but don't put all eggs in same basket"

The initiative sort of a wild card - "power brokers" or "kingmakers" so to speak - one of the most fun factions to play.

[Mistfox]

Messaggio originale di Aedile:

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One thing I would really love is if there is some backstory on Hanse, the leader of Humanity First, for example if his family got killed by an alien inflitrator and not just hate because he hates. I mean, if Humanity First was made up of people who lost family to the aliens, that would make them seem a human and reasonable faction rather than an unthinking one that just hates for no reason. Just that they lost too much to the alien and can't stand them any more.

[RandyNewman]

The mission log shows you the Manifesto of the Resistance if you play as them, and they summarize their purpose as "We just want to be left the hell alone", and I've hardly related to anything more in my life.

[=(FGR)=Sentinel]

Messaggio originale di Mistfox:

Messaggio originale di Aedile:

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One thing I would really love is if there is some backstory on Hanse, the leader of Humanity First, for example if his family got killed by an alien inflitrator and not just hate because he hates. I mean, if Humanity First was made up of people who lost family to the aliens, that would make them seem a human and reasonable faction rather than an unthinking one that just hates for no reason. Just that they lost too much to the alien and can't stand them any more.

From Hanse's quotes we know he's a war criminal and pretty bloodthirsty. To him this may be less about hate and more a chance to be as cruel as he wants without ending up in front of the Hague again, to be both himself and a hero. Who knows though. There's little details like that in most of the backstories of various faction leaders: the Protectorate one sounds like a stary-eyed idealist who had his hopes crushed by cynicism, the Servants' leader was a former evangelist involved in at least one death/suicide cult, and PE's leader has been going on about how the Earth is dying and it's time to find a new home for quite a while by the time the aliens showed up.

[Rashka]

Looking at the AI values (search for defaultPriorityPresetTemplateName in the savegames):
Resistance will prioritise preserving human lives more often. And they care about popularity and money more.
Humanity First will use more dirty tricks (presumably Assassinate, Capture, Purge), and they're less risk averse

[76561198859928956]

Messaggio originale di =(FGR)=Sentinel:

From Hanse's quotes we know he's a war criminal and pretty bloodthirsty. To him this may be less about hate and more a chance to be as cruel as he wants without ending up in front of the Hague again, to be both himself and a hero.

Yeah, he was an "anti-communist" (which in this instance is a very loaded term) paramilitary during operation Condor.

Operation Condor was an effort by the US to install right wing dictatorships in south America as a means to prevent any perceived communist influence. Those dictatorships went on to torture and kill many thousands of people, very few of whom were communists. If you can imagine any of the worst things a human being can do to another human, it probably happened during operation Condor.

But I think there's a nice bit of dramatic irony in that the guy leading a group called "humanity first" has no respect for human life.

I also think it's pretty intentional that all the faction leaders come off as a bit deluded by their own beliefs. As the cutscene goes "we saw what we wanted to see."

[heh]

HF wants to kill the aliens, while the resistance wants to kill you for wanting to kill the aliens for reasons other than self-defence.

Really, every faction except HF is some flavour of collaborator.

[Majickthyse]

Messaggio originale di Toblm:

Humanity First is actively Xenophobic. Only good alien is a dead alien.
Resistance just wants them to stop ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with Earth.

Yeah on my first playthrough I'm Resistance for the tutorial. My next playthrough will be Humanity First as that's where my heart is!

Invaders Must Die !!!!

[=(FGR)=Sentinel]

Messaggio originale di 76561198022369703:

HF wants to kill the aliens, while the resistance wants to kill you for wanting to kill the aliens for reasons other than self-defence.

Really, every faction except HF is some flavour of collaborator.

I'd disagree with the end of it. The Resistance is basically the centrist meme but more aggressive: they just want to be left alone to do their own thing and believe that everyone else should have that right. They're opposed to the aliens because they have hostile intentions for humanity. They're opposed to the Servants and Protectorate because they want to give up human self-determination and independence (respectively) to the aliens. They're opposed to Humanity First because they believe the only response to aliens showing up is to kill all alien life we could ever encounter going forward.

Part of their campaign actually states this pretty well: they view every other human faction as megalomaniacs who want to use the aliens' arrival as a chance to reshape human ideology in their own image, while the Resistance itself wants to simply drive off the aliens and let every individual human nation decide on its own how to go forward without the outside influence of the other factions.

[Kryten]

Messaggio originale di Riftwalker:

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HF doesn't want to learn the alien language, the resistance does.

Wrong, first thing I had to do after capturing an alien was to learn the language...at least the understating part. The talking part comes separate and again with high research costs....

[Raudskeggr]

I would like to describe the factions using quotes from Jean-luc Picard:

Humanity First: "I’m not in the habit of consulting lawyers before I do what needs to be done."

The Resistance: "You say you are true evil? Shall I tell you what true evil is? It is to submit to you. It is when we surrender our freedom, our dignity instead of defying you."

Project Exodus: "Engage."

The Initiative: “There can be no justice so long as laws are absolute. Even life itself is an exercise in exceptions."

The Protectorate: "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not weakness, that is life.”

The Academy: “If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are.”

The Servants: "We think we’ve come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, is all ancient history. Then, before you can blink an eye, suddenly, it threatens to start all over again."