Great Nations

[pete8719]

Has anyone formed Great Europa? I'm torn between just researching Europe Ascendant now, or doing the global tech Great Nations. How big are we talking here? Is there a map somewhere?

[Zuul]

It doesn't matter what you want to do. Either way you'll need to research Europe Ascendant. Great Europa has two prerequisites, not one. Great Nations AND Europe Ascendant.

[pete8719]

Gotcha. Another question, is it even worth it to get Europe Ascendant? It gives a couple more cores, sure, but it also dilutes the tech level. Is the extra income worth it?

[Zuul]

Not sure what you mean by dilutes the tech level. If you just mean the general lowering of the educational level when it's averaged then what I can say is, you SHOULD output more research even with the lower averaged education level with the extra population, unless you already control both nations. If you do you'll probably lose some output.

That being said, you'll be using a lot less capacity so you can go scarf up some more territory.

[Quintus Aquila]

It depends what you're using Europe for. If you have the US, then the European military doesn't really matter, if you're relying on the European military it might be wiser to keep it strong.

[pete8719]

Cheers, I've found what regions I'd be getting in the expanded techtree. So it turns out Great Europa gives you cores on some Russian provinces. I already got Russia, so I'll instead create Eurasia, and then federate it with the EU after Europe Ascendant- you can do that, you just can't later unite the two.

[Cormac]

Originally posted by pete8719:

Gotcha. Another question, is it even worth it to get Europe Ascendant? It gives a couple more cores, sure, but it also dilutes the tech level. Is the extra income worth it?

just my opinion:
it depents on how you want to look at it.
adding those 3 countries (if all 3 still exist) gives you
a smallish amount of new people
it will mozt lilkly reduce your education level (if it is still below 10, it might increate your requierment for spoil)
it will increase your GDP (while still reducing your per capita GDP)
it might increase your ineqality and unrest (unless you preped those countries befor)

all in itself might not be woth the cost:
you need to control those countries for maybe 1-3 years to integrate them (make them allies, federate them and so on)

but here is what it gives you in the long run:
investmentpoints is based on GDP, which is based on per capita GDP and your overall pop.
runing economy in a high pop country is in many cases more usefull than in low pop areas (there are more variables, but i believe, even those should be high in the EU country) and as far as i saw, investing in knowledge in rich/high pop countries is worth more.
it gives you more controll over pop, finances and so on with only a minor increase in controllpoints

unite those into EU, and i believe you may get your investment back over the long run, but if you are way to close to your controllpoint cap, you might not want to hold 3 low paying countries. (turkey has at least some funds and tech... but looking at armenia...)

and starting a war to get them might be even worse... attacking belarus or amenia might call russia into the war and... hello nukes!

[Cloudhunter]

Originally posted by Cormac:

and starting a war to get them might be even worse... attacking belarus or amenia might call russia into the war and... hello nukes!

I never understood this logic. You can just take control of russia. And then you can either give europa or russia the countries. Or you take control of belarus and just leave the russian union and switch over to europa. You rarely have to make a war in this game.

[pete8719]

Yeah, my plan now is to get turkey into the union, I already have Russia and Kazhakstan, so I'll federate them into Eurasia and then have them join EU- I don't know if its a bug or intended, but you can do that. You just can't unite them into one state. Then I'll prolly try for India once I have enough CP- China is too big of a hassle, I'll just do my best to keep it from Servants grabby hands.

[Zuul]

Originally posted by Cloudhunter:

I never understood this logic. You can just take control of russia. And then you can either give europa or russia the countries. Or you take control of belarus and just leave the russian union and switch over to europa. You rarely have to make a war in this game.

Yeah, Russia isn't so bad.

The nightmare is Servants fully entrenched in China, and not biting the bullet and eating a few nukes straight away to get them out. Once they've started building nukes then you're in trouble, lol.