Is there a good reason to build a station in low earth orbit?

[Gaz]

Beyond being quick to get up and running early?

[Toblm]

interface bonuses on most facilities.

[Gaz]

Interface? Yeah, I've seen that against the orbit, but if it's explained in game I haven't performed the correct dark ritual to obtain that info from the UI.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Gaz:

Interface? Yeah, I've seen that against the orbit, but if it's explained in game I haven't performed the correct dark ritual to obtain that info from the UI.

Look at the stations you can build.
In addition to the listed research bonus there is also an interface bonus.

No dark ritual needed, just reading.

[db48x]

The dark ritual of hovering over every single thing to see if there is a tooltip.

[Gaz]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by Gaz:

Interface? Yeah, I've seen that against the orbit, but if it's explained in game I haven't performed the correct dark ritual to obtain that info from the UI.

Look at the stations you can build.
In addition to the listed research bonus there is also an interface bonus.

No dark ritual needed, just reading.

probably true, but its such a slog. I'm not new to games like this, but the UI is one of it's weakest points. I know, it's early access, just adding my voice to the many who have expressed a similar sentiment.

I don't mind tooltips, and having to read, but i can't say this game does this part well.

I suspect i may have been a little spoiled by CK III and its wonderful tooltips.

OK, since you seem clued up, next question. lets say i have a station that can build in space around earth, and another round phobos, and i want to build in the belt. why has the time not changed since the phobos base came online? both have space docks, but it seems the building defaults to earth. am i missing something here too?

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Gaz:

Originally posted by Toblm:

Look at the stations you can build.
In addition to the listed research bonus there is also an interface bonus.

No dark ritual needed, just reading.

OK, since you seem clued up, next question. lets say i have a station that can build in space around earth, and another round phobos, and i want to build in the belt. why has the time not changed since the phobos base came online? both have space docks, but it seems the building defaults to earth. am i missing something here too?

Got the resources you need? Because if you dont it defaults to boosting from earth.

[Gaz]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by Gaz:

OK, since you seem clued up, next question. lets say i have a station that can build in space around earth, and another round phobos, and i want to build in the belt. why has the time not changed since the phobos base came online? both have space docks, but it seems the building defaults to earth. am i missing something here too?

Got the resources you need? Because if you dont it defaults to boosting from earth.

yes, and there is a build in space option. there is however no clarity on where these resources are, if they need shipped around and if they do, how long that takes or what modules are needed to do it.

[Kuattro]

Originally posted by Gaz:

Originally posted by Toblm:

Got the resources you need? Because if you dont it defaults to boosting from earth.

yes, and there is a build in space option. there is however no clarity on where these resources are, if they need shipped around and if they do, how long that takes or what modules are needed to do it.

The resources are getting fired from mag catapults all around the system.

The problem you have is that docks are for building ships. If you want to build habs without having to wait for a long time, you need a construction module in the station.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Gaz:

Originally posted by Toblm:

Got the resources you need? Because if you dont it defaults to boosting from earth.

yes, and there is a build in space option. there is however no clarity on where these resources are, if they need shipped around and if they do, how long that takes or what modules are needed to do it.

I've noticed this too. It's possible that while the dock builds ships, it isnt a valid location to build stations and habs.

"A basic assembly platform for space craft. Supply depot and probe launch"

Basic suggesting more advanced are possible.
Space craft as opposed to stations and habs.
Being able to launch probes from Mars is handy though.

[Gaz]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by Gaz:

yes, and there is a build in space option. there is however no clarity on where these resources are, if they need shipped around and if they do, how long that takes or what modules are needed to do it.

I've noticed this too. It's possible that while the dock builds ships, it isnt a valid location to build stations and habs.

"A basic assembly platform for space craft. Supply depot and probe launch"

Basic suggesting more advanced are possible.
Space craft as opposed to stations and habs.
Being able to launch probes from Mars is handy though.

That argument makes sense, expect i CAN build them in space and not on earth, just not it seems choose from where.

I'll file this under hope it gets addressed. I suspect I'll have many suggestions once i have time to write it up.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Gaz:

Originally posted by Toblm:

I've noticed this too. It's possible that while the dock builds ships, it isnt a valid location to build stations and habs.

"A basic assembly platform for space craft. Supply depot and probe launch"

Basic suggesting more advanced are possible.
Space craft as opposed to stations and habs.
Being able to launch probes from Mars is handy though.

That argument makes sense, expect i CAN build them in space and not on earth, just not it seems choose from where.

I'll file this under hope it gets addressed. I suspect I'll have many suggestions once i have time to write it up.

Try getting Industrialization of Space. That looks like the next level of space construction.

[Kuattro]

Originally posted by Gaz:

Originally posted by Toblm:

I've noticed this too. It's possible that while the dock builds ships, it isnt a valid location to build stations and habs.

"A basic assembly platform for space craft. Supply depot and probe launch"

Basic suggesting more advanced are possible.
Space craft as opposed to stations and habs.
Being able to launch probes from Mars is handy though.

That argument makes sense, expect i CAN build them in space and not on earth, just not it seems choose from where.

I'll file this under hope it gets addressed. I suspect I'll have many suggestions once i have time to write it up.

Again, you can get the materials from space (metals, water, volatiles...) without having to launch tons and tons of them from earth with rockets.

Builders, tools, and so on, are still getting there all the way from earth instead of from a more convenient, closer place (like a space station with a construction module), so it takes quite a long time.

[db48x]

Paradox games really are quite good in that regard, but don’t forget that they have had a few extra years to work on those tooltips :)

I haven’t worked out all the details of transit and contruction times, but it doesn’t necessarily matter that Mars is closer to the belt. Distance is not as relevant to travel time in space as velocity is. Mars is further out from the Sun than Earth, so it is going slower. That means you need more delta to raise your orbit out towards the belt.

You might try building a construction station on one of the Mars–crossing asteroids to see if that is a better stepping stone, but the eccentricity and inclination might make it worse.

[Gaz]

Originally posted by Kuattro:

Originally posted by Gaz:

That argument makes sense, expect i CAN build them in space and not on earth, just not it seems choose from where.

I'll file this under hope it gets addressed. I suspect I'll have many suggestions once i have time to write it up.

Again, you can get the materials from space (metals, water, volatiles...) without having to launch tons and tons of them from earth with rockets.

Builders, tools, and so on, are still getting there all the way from earth instead of from a more convenient, closer place (like a space station with a construction module), so it takes quite a long time.

Yes, I'm aware, and i am doing so. the numbers are positive, and i have the option to build in space.

I have had that option since i built the space dock in orbit.

I had assumed that building another space dock on phobos would mean shorter build times to rocks in the belt.

This is not the case.

is there any evidence to support your assertion that builders and tools need to come from earth? in game? happy to look at it if there is, but it seems you are making assumptions there.

[Kuattro]

Originally posted by Gaz:

is there any evidence to support your assertion that builders and tools need to come from earth? in game? happy to look at it if there is, but it seems you are making assumptions there.

Apart from the fact that building a construction module in a space station massively reduces the amount of time it takes to deploy your habs around asteroids, planetoids and such?

Nope, no evidence at all.