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AdahnGorion 2021 年 7 月 19 日 上午 11:09
Red dead Redemption 2 vs Cyberpunk 2077
I have looked at these two games, they keep getting compared on the Cyberpunk forum, so lets make one here.

Cyberpunk 2077, has a huge city, full of life. It features many well written companions, fast action gunplay with hacking, cybernetics and what not. It also has RPG features (something RDR2 does not have) how can RDR2 be so far behind??

Why can´t we have cyborg Cowbows in RDR2? Why no RPG features? (is that too much to ask? I mean.. why no character creator, with character stats, perks, skills that matter and why not proper development of these.. why not stats based weapons, proper crafting and so on??

Also... why do RDR2 have so many glitched things... its unplayable.. low graphics compared to performance, bugged AI that runs into fire and then die, enemy AI that just rush you to die easily (they are dumber than wet paint)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xniju9Qcwj0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG_3iHNWkxg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTFP_JMB_BE

Why don´t we have proper Ray Tracing compatability!! is that too much to ask? What about all the clunky controls??... its just... this game has nothing to offer.. not even a proper story.. its a linear non changeable (it really is) forced story line.. Were is all the lore?...

The gameplay is tedius.. 85% of the game is walking/riding around in a empty world, void of human life.. with a few simplistic critters running around... its just ride, ride, ride, then hub with fetch/shoot/boring quest, then ride, ride, ride.. then another boring fetch quest without anything meaningful in the story that can´t change anything... then onwards with the linear quest, then rinse and repeat.. the ending does not matter, none of them.. they have the same overall outcome... no choices matter.


So Cyberpunk 2077 has better

AI
Graphics
Controls
Story/stories
Lore
RPG elements (RDR2 does not even have this)
Big living city!
Faster transportability (Cars/moterbikes vs Horses)
Character creation
Character progression
Companions that matter
Choices that have an effect on the world


All in all Cyberpunk 2077 is a much much superior RPG game.. Why is RDR2 so praises when it is so low quality? not even any RPG features, no proper story and so many glitches (yes I know its just a silly console port but anyway)
That being said.... RDR2 do have better hat selections than RDR2.. I guess that is the biggest pro in RDR2.. you can buy so many different hats.. hats for all..

Take-Two should refund everybody that bought RDR2, they failed to make a proper RPG.. they lied to their customers about most of the content and how it works..


All in all.. the story is pointless (Dutch argument) its basically all pointless and its not written very well (maybe for teens? young adults?) Stuff are locked behind story progression as well, but in a unrealistic way (like buying a bloody shotgun) All choices are illusions, they have no impact, not even on the endings (they still end up the same!) All in all.. RDR2 is some subpar Rail shooter for people that wanna be "ahistorical" cowboy robbers... nothing more, nothing less.. Its so awful..

Does clicking a button 17 times to sip 3 times on a cup of coffee really immersive us? does it bring realism? and come on.. that collision physics.. its... amateur.. its just.. I have never seen anything so badly made.

One of the biggest animations of this games, is farting.. I am not even joking, they took good care to include that and make it a focus... Farting!!!.... this is for teens.
The 75-100 hours it takes to complete this game, is tedius and mostly riding, clicking 17 times to drink coffee, most riding, them some walking, then fetch something, then abit of story, that is meaningless and has no impact on the future..

I dare say the first game is better and that is a avarage game at best.
This however leads me to Arthur Morgan... the most pointless, useless protagonist, to have ever been created.... not understanding this, just showcase you have low IQ

Again.. bloody hell.. there is not a single inch of RPG element in the game... is this made for a 12 year old playing on a console?

Yes obviously there is a hint of sarcasm here!!!

This is how RDR2 players act on the Cyberpunk 2077 forum.. they spam threads like these (in vice versa) and then complain about everything that is not a focus point of the game... so how does people react to the opposite here? most likely people will go wonkers and defend RDR2....


Hopefully this will lead to people stop comparing bananas and apples
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Emanouche 2021 年 7 月 20 日 下午 6:18 
RDR2 delivered on everything it promised before release and more... Cyberpunk is garbage in comparison.
AlpacaDGY 2021 年 7 月 20 日 下午 6:29 
引用自 Pikk Suger
lol, I've seen this a few times, I am guessing it's a new copy pasta

No, I did it. But I think these videos are so good to show how well made is RDR2 that is used in every argument.
AdahnGorion 2021 年 7 月 20 日 下午 11:50 
引用自 Pikk Suger
lol, I've seen this a few times, I am guessing it's a new copy pasta

That is because you failed to read the entire thread starter.
HilAroEye 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 3:20 
引用自 Darkie
引用自 Pikk Suger
lol, I've seen this a few times, I am guessing it's a new copy pasta

That is because you failed to read the entire thread starter.
Oh my god we're still doing this...did you even read the most useful posts or are just copy pasting your ♥♥♥♥?



引用自 AlpacaDGY
These are the points you think CP is better than RDR2:
-AI
-Graphics
-Controls
-Story/stories
-Lore
-RPG elements (RDR2 does not even have this)
-Big living city!
-Faster transportability (Cars/moterbikes vs Horses)
-Character creation
-Character progression
-Companions that matter
-Choices that have an effect on the world

First of all:
- Their is no RPG elements, character creation and progression because RDR2 is a linear game. You are meant to play with Artur Morgan and not a character that you create. Also, there is no character progression (I think you mean a skill tree) because it's no an RPG.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Second:
- AI
- I'm going to show you the difference between RDR2 and CP AI with examples:

NPCS IN RDR2 HAVE ROUTINS AND REACTIONS, WHILE CP ARE JUST WALKING POTATOS:

RDR2:
-NPC Routine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrUJJgppMn4&ab_channel=DefendTheHouse
-Gang reactions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3mCrc37RiE&ab_channel=Indo-J
-Mistake correction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i23LUtpgT4&ab_channel=ZaiVid

Now a comparition between RDR2 and CP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5WFfIKxA1Y&ab_channel=ENXGMA
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- About graphs:
I really dont believe that someone who has played RDR2 think the graphs are bad
Just an example in high setting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM-06ehsAu8&ab_channel=DubStepZz

And yes, CP graphs are good too!
Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSst2XFtMTU&ab_channel=Cycu1
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Lore and story:
If you really think that RDR2 and story are bad, here is some hours of RDR2 content and explanaition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSOTq3gWWQI&ab_channel=ThePatientWolf

https://www.youtube.com/watchv=WSxj1UQnvBU&ab_channel=Gamer%27sLittlePlayground
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Transportation
What did you want with transportation in a game that is in 1899? Airplanes? Cars?
If you don't want to travel with your horse and see all the wanders this game has, you can create a firecamp and fast travel, simples as that.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Big living city
You make me laugh if you think Night City is a live city, again, the AI's are potatos, they are just there to make a false sensation of "living". There as building and lights but none of that make the city "living", just make it BIG.

Now RDR2 have mutiple cities that are really living, here is Saint Denis, the biggest city of RDR2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKnpdrGp4eI&ab_channel=1UpNerdcore
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- Choices that affect the world
The only choices that affect the game in RDR2 is the honor, good honor = good ending, bad honor = bad ending. Besides that we have changes in the scenario during the time, here is a showcase:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nOd0T8SwIo&ab_channel=Noru122
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AND, if you think there is no content in RDR2 besides the main quest, here is 2:30 hours of easter eggs and curiosities:
!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb86yBb_IXI&ab_channel=MaddTrevor
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If you wanted arguments and facts, now you have.
Have a great night



引用自 HilAroEye
Do you see that RDR2 has a tag called 'RPG' on the store page? Exactly, it's not there, then arguing that an open world, action-adventure, game is a bad RPG doesn't make sense, cowpoke.

Why does RDR2 not have cyborgs (or whatever it is that you call it)? Because R* didn't want the game to have cyborgs in it.

You said RDR2 has nothing to offer whatsoever, bruh, here's me sitting with 350hrs in singleplayer.

You said that the story of RDR2 is pointless, then you're just high or something, it sure is slow paced, but pointless? Nope, not if you bought the game to actually play it instead of ranting about the game not being an RPG.

If you wanna talk about RDR2 having glitches, AHAHAHAHAHA.....best we don't talk about that.

AI? Functionality?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb5XqppVn78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i23LUtpgT4

And there's the video that Eminem has linked (which completely explains the difference between RDR2 and CP77 AI).
Whereas, Darkie just linked a video where people fail to get out of the place of shootout in time, funny moments of RDR2, and horses crashing in slow mo, you can literally crash a horse on purpose, just like you can do with the cars, being able to crash horses in a game isn't it's weak point, GENIUS!

If you really want people to stop comparing apples and bananas then you don't even need to reply, Darkie
I know that according to you I failed to "counter argue" your statements and I haven't read the whole thread, BLAH BLAH BLAH
You've made the term 'COUNTER ARGUE' a huge cliche in this thread.

To the RDR2 community: I'm really sorry for giving him attention, but he was getting on my nerves.



引用自 Eminem
引用自 Darkie
I have looked at these two games,

.



22 views? You linking up stuff with 22 views? really? Come on those are amateur youtubers with weak editting skillz.

3 million and the editting quality is pro. watch and learn nerd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5WFfIKxA1Y&t=598s&ab_channel=ENXGMA
AdahnGorion 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 3:34 
引用自 HilAroEye
引用自 Darkie

That is because you failed to read the entire thread starter.
Oh my god we're still doing this...did you even read the most useful posts or are just copy pasting your ♥♥♥♥?



引用自 AlpacaDGY
These are the points you think CP is better than RDR2:
-AI
-Graphics
-Controls
-Story/stories
-Lore
-RPG elements (RDR2 does not even have this)
-Big living city!
-Faster transportability (Cars/moterbikes vs Horses)
-Character creation
-Character progression
-Companions that matter
-Choices that have an effect on the world

First of all:
- Their is no RPG elements, character creation and progression because RDR2 is a linear game. You are meant to play with Artur Morgan and not a character that you create. Also, there is no character progression (I think you mean a skill tree) because it's no an RPG.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Second:
- AI
- I'm going to show you the difference between RDR2 and CP AI with examples:

NPCS IN RDR2 HAVE ROUTINS AND REACTIONS, WHILE CP ARE JUST WALKING POTATOS:

RDR2:
-NPC Routine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrUJJgppMn4&ab_channel=DefendTheHouse
-Gang reactions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3mCrc37RiE&ab_channel=Indo-J
-Mistake correction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i23LUtpgT4&ab_channel=ZaiVid

Now a comparition between RDR2 and CP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5WFfIKxA1Y&ab_channel=ENXGMA
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- About graphs:
I really dont believe that someone who has played RDR2 think the graphs are bad
Just an example in high setting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM-06ehsAu8&ab_channel=DubStepZz

And yes, CP graphs are good too!
Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSst2XFtMTU&ab_channel=Cycu1
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Lore and story:
If you really think that RDR2 and story are bad, here is some hours of RDR2 content and explanaition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSOTq3gWWQI&ab_channel=ThePatientWolf

https://www.youtube.com/watchv=WSxj1UQnvBU&ab_channel=Gamer%27sLittlePlayground
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Transportation
What did you want with transportation in a game that is in 1899? Airplanes? Cars?
If you don't want to travel with your horse and see all the wanders this game has, you can create a firecamp and fast travel, simples as that.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Big living city
You make me laugh if you think Night City is a live city, again, the AI's are potatos, they are just there to make a false sensation of "living". There as building and lights but none of that make the city "living", just make it BIG.

Now RDR2 have mutiple cities that are really living, here is Saint Denis, the biggest city of RDR2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKnpdrGp4eI&ab_channel=1UpNerdcore
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Choices that affect the world
The only choices that affect the game in RDR2 is the honor, good honor = good ending, bad honor = bad ending. Besides that we have changes in the scenario during the time, here is a showcase:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nOd0T8SwIo&ab_channel=Noru122
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AND, if you think there is no content in RDR2 besides the main quest, here is 2:30 hours of easter eggs and curiosities:
!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb86yBb_IXI&ab_channel=MaddTrevor
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you wanted arguments and facts, now you have.
Have a great night



引用自 HilAroEye
Do you see that RDR2 has a tag called 'RPG' on the store page? Exactly, it's not there, then arguing that an open world, action-adventure, game is a bad RPG doesn't make sense, cowpoke.

Why does RDR2 not have cyborgs (or whatever it is that you call it)? Because R* didn't want the game to have cyborgs in it.

You said RDR2 has nothing to offer whatsoever, bruh, here's me sitting with 350hrs in singleplayer.

You said that the story of RDR2 is pointless, then you're just high or something, it sure is slow paced, but pointless? Nope, not if you bought the game to actually play it instead of ranting about the game not being an RPG.

If you wanna talk about RDR2 having glitches, AHAHAHAHAHA.....best we don't talk about that.

AI? Functionality?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb5XqppVn78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i23LUtpgT4

And there's the video that Eminem has linked (which completely explains the difference between RDR2 and CP77 AI).
Whereas, Darkie just linked a video where people fail to get out of the place of shootout in time, funny moments of RDR2, and horses crashing in slow mo, you can literally crash a horse on purpose, just like you can do with the cars, being able to crash horses in a game isn't it's weak point, GENIUS!

If you really want people to stop comparing apples and bananas then you don't even need to reply, Darkie
I know that according to you I failed to "counter argue" your statements and I haven't read the whole thread, BLAH BLAH BLAH
You've made the term 'COUNTER ARGUE' a huge cliche in this thread.

To the RDR2 community: I'm really sorry for giving him attention, but he was getting on my nerves.



引用自 Eminem

22 views? You linking up stuff with 22 views? really? Come on those are amateur youtubers with weak editting skillz.

3 million and the editting quality is pro. watch and learn nerd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5WFfIKxA1Y&t=598s&ab_channel=ENXGMA

One of them is spamming video´s about filler AI vs focus AI.
Nobody has yet made a counter to story arguments or gameplay.
talore008 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 5:26 
"One of them is spamming video´s about filler AI vs focus AI.
Nobody has yet made a counter to story arguments or gameplay."

They did you just want to argue to argue. Cyberpunks story wasn't very captivating to me and the acting was bad. I love Keanu but even he didn't do that great a job with the acting. As far as gameplay it's night and day the physics in Cyberpunk are horrid and unrealistic like it was made in the early 90's. As far as character creation? It's pointless since I think I saw what my character looks like maybe 5 times in the game? Rdr I at least can see my character his outfits appearance choices...
最后由 talore008 编辑于; 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 5:27
AdahnGorion 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 6:37 
引用自 talore008
"One of them is spamming video´s about filler AI vs focus AI.
Nobody has yet made a counter to story arguments or gameplay."

They did you just want to argue to argue. Cyberpunks story wasn't very captivating to me and the acting was bad. I love Keanu but even he didn't do that great a job with the acting. As far as gameplay it's night and day the physics in Cyberpunk are horrid and unrealistic like it was made in the early 90's. As far as character creation? It's pointless since I think I saw what my character looks like maybe 5 times in the game? Rdr I at least can see my character his outfits appearance choices...

I agree. CP77 main story is avarage at best.
Still nobody countered my point about RDR2 story (that is one, no proper stories like in CP77 with companions etc) is dull, pointless and without much sense. I listed a lot of arguments as to why that is.. something a lot of people actually does agree with.

If you read my thread, you will now that I am being "silly" about many things, to state how RDR2 players come and judge CP77.. again.. obviously RDR2 have no RPG features, because you know, its just a Action Adventure... (thus the reason it also has no CC)

But the story, ai and gameplay, those are actual real arguments and they are awful.
Its the same with CP77.. I said many times... both games are pretty plain and avarage, my main point is that it makes no sense to compare them.. (you would know that, if you had read the full thread starter post)

That is how I know 99% of the people that comment here, have actually not read my post ^^
HilAroEye 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 9:50 
YAY! 100th post, we have now officially wasted our time going into circles, explaining the same thing over and over again to someone who just wants to defame RDR2. CONGRATULATIONS!!!
最后由 HilAroEye 编辑于; 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 9:51
AdahnGorion 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 10:24 
引用自 talore008
引用自 Darkie

I agree. CP77 main story is avarage at best.
Still nobody countered my point about RDR2 story (that is one, no proper stories like in CP77 with companions etc) is dull, pointless and without much sense. I listed a lot of arguments as to why that is.. something a lot of people actually does agree with.

If you read my thread, you will now that I am being "silly" about many things, to state how RDR2 players come and judge CP77.. again.. obviously RDR2 have no RPG features, because you know, its just a Action Adventure... (thus the reason it also has no CC)

But the story, ai and gameplay, those are actual real arguments and they are awful.
Its the same with CP77.. I said many times... both games are pretty plain and avarage, my main point is that it makes no sense to compare them.. (you would know that, if you had read the full thread starter post)

That is how I know 99% of the people that comment here, have actually not read my post ^^


引用自 Darkie

I agree. CP77 main story is avarage at best.
Still nobody countered my point about RDR2 story (that is one, no proper stories like in CP77 with companions etc) is dull, pointless and without much sense. I listed a lot of arguments as to why that is.. something a lot of people actually does agree with.

If you read my thread, you will now that I am being "silly" about many things, to state how RDR2 players come and judge CP77.. again.. obviously RDR2 have no RPG features, because you know, its just a Action Adventure... (thus the reason it also has no CC)

But the story, ai and gameplay, those are actual real arguments and they are awful.
Its the same with CP77.. I said many times... both games are pretty plain and avarage, my main point is that it makes no sense to compare them.. (you would know that, if you had read the full thread starter post)

That is how I know 99% of the people that comment here, have actually not read my post ^^

You want to argue for the sake of arguing. As I said before you keep talking in circles saying it doesn't make sense to compare them then proceed to compare them lol. You realize you did just that in your reply... Have a good day kid I can't feed this anymore it's I.Q. killing.

Please refrain from personal attacks.
If you read the thread, you might have been able to deduct something
AMD Ryzen 7 5200HX 2.9GHz 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 10:38 
THERE IS NO

lootboxes in cyberpunk 2077

THERE IS

lootboxes in RDR2

VERDICT: OP shouldn't be using computers, it is too big for him,
talore008 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 11:36 
引用自 Darkie
引用自 talore008




You want to argue for the sake of arguing. As I said before you keep talking in circles saying it doesn't make sense to compare them then proceed to compare them lol. You realize you did just that in your reply... Have a good day kid I can't feed this anymore it's I.Q. killing.

Please refrain from personal attacks.
If you read the thread, you might have been able to deduct something
What personal attack? I pointed out the obvious and you reported me and tried to get me banned lol.
最后由 talore008 编辑于; 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 11:39
Yard-Dog® 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 11:46 
引用自 Darkie
Please refrain from personal attacks.
If you read the thread, you might have been able to deduct something

I read the thread, and there wasn't anything of note to "deduct" (or deduce) other than an emphatic social commentary from you, OP, in the form of continuous trolling and denial of same. It's really kinda silly.

EDIT: I think that that's your whole point here though; social commentary in static 'point' but also in the exercising of this thread's perpetuity. The longer this thread goes on, the more you feel you made your point by denying others that they got your point. I'M ONTO YOU!!

To each their own, I suppose...smh.
最后由 Yard-Dog® 编辑于; 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 11:57
talore008 2021 年 7 月 21 日 上午 11:53 
引用自 Yard-Dog
引用自 Darkie
Please refrain from personal attacks.
If you read the thread, you might have been able to deduct something

I read the thread, and there wasn't anything of note to "deduct" (or deduce) other than an emphatic social commentary from you, OP, in the form of continuous trolling and denial of same. It's really kinda silly.
Exactly thank you.
AdahnGorion 2021 年 7 月 21 日 下午 12:43 
THERE IS NO

lootboxes in cyberpunk 2077

THERE IS

lootboxes in RDR2

VERDICT: OP shouldn't be using computers, it is too big for him,

Who says I am using a PC?
I could be on my tablet, phone or console for that matter (yes and still using steam)
R3m0ved 2021 年 7 月 21 日 下午 2:38 
10 pages and yet cybercops still popin' behind your back, even on roofs

Masterpiece, so immersive
最后由 R3m0ved 编辑于; 2021 年 7 月 21 日 下午 2:39
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