DLSS Sucks

[ShadowGamer_Inc]

I was really looking forward to using DLSS for RDR2 but DLSS makes the game look even worse than before and I barely get any performance increase. I am on a RTX 2070 and have tried both Vulkan and DirectX12 [which is also broken]. Any suggestions?

[Tashnaladar]

what exactly IS dlss? digital laced surface scanning? i wish the whole words were said so i could have a better idea of what it is, laughing out loud

[Mary]

Originally posted by Tashnaladar:

what exactly IS dlss? digital laced surface scanning? i wish the whole words were said so i could have a better idea of what it is, laughing out loud

Double
Leg
S***
Stomp

[Tashnaladar]

ok fine, i am not upgrading my videocard, i dont wanna see double leg.....nvm

[Soulreaver]

D:Deep
L:Learning
S:Super
S:Sampling

It's an AI based upscaling technology. In general you can easily get an fps increase of 30-100% based on what option you use. The best Option often looks atleast almost native in some rare instances better than native.

In Red Dead Redemptions case it's a rather poor implementation that only gives an ~15% performance increase in it's best visual option.

Some people like the visual DLSS brings to Red Dead 2 some don't.

This video gives an overview of the DLSS implementation and its effects in Red Dead 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0bmyk3he1k

[foxwoosh]

Can someone explain how to enable it? I can't find it in game video setting

[Sleepy Joe]

Originally posted by ShadowGamer_Inc:

Originally posted by NT4B2B4E:

You made a point about how DLSS makes the game graphic worse, but you provided no system spec, graphic card driver, your resolution, or screenshots comparison. You provided no details whatsoever, other than you're running 2070 RTX. How do you think people are going to take you seriously?

It don't matter anyways as the game is broken and unplayable for me since the update aka nonstop crashes and sometimes wont even start at all.

Reinstall it, could help probably.

[Precache]

You need to only set it to quality mode, and then only if you are running 1440p or above.
Every step down (quality->performance->ultra performance) lowers the source image a notch, so 1440p on "quality" probably has a source image of 1080p and it's probably 720p for "performance" (they don't make it easy to figure out what the source resolution is).

The problem with RDR2 is that it has a lot of fine detail (grass/leaves/etc.) that are hard for dlss to figure out. So setting it too aggressively will make everything look muddy.

I have a 3080 (I bought a new system, so I was out of the scalp loop) and at 1440p, I get 80-90 fps with it off and 90-110 with it on "quality." I notice the slats on bridges look weird, and everything is just a tad splotchy, so I run with it off.

DLSS was great for both Cyberpunk2077 and Control since they have a lot of square architecture and very little grass/plants/etc...

Don't expect AMD's FSR to be any better. It doesn't have motion vectors or any other way to do temporal AA, so I'd expect it to be a shimmering mess.

[Savager]

Originally posted by Precache:

You need to only set it to quality mode, and then only if you are running 1440p or above.
Every step down (quality->performance->ultra performance) lowers the source image a notch, so 1440p on "quality" probably has a source image of 1080p and it's probably 720p for "performance" (they don't make it easy to figure out what the source resolution is).

The problem with RDR2 is that it has a lot of fine detail (grass/leaves/etc.) that are hard for dlss to figure out. So setting it too aggressively will make everything look muddy.

I have a 3080 (I bought a new system, so I was out of the scalp loop) and at 1440p, I get 80-90 fps with it off and 90-110 with it on "quality." I notice the slats on bridges look weird, and everything is just a tad splotchy, so I run with it off.

DLSS was great for both Cyberpunk2077 and Control since they have a lot of square architecture and very little grass/plants/etc...

Don't expect AMD's FSR to be any better. It doesn't have motion vectors or any other way to do temporal AA, so I'd expect it to be a shimmering mess.

DLSS quality also looks amazing in Marvels Avengers. I know its not very popular game (my best experience with DLSS so far) but when it released I was having serious fps drops and stuttering. They added DLSS support and in quality mode the game looked even better than my initial settings and I also got a huge performance boost, no more stuttering and fps drops below 90. I have RTX 2080 Super.

Sadly in RDR2 the performance boost was very little for me and got me questioning my rig.

[foxwoosh]

Originally posted by FOX:

Can someone explain how to enable it? I can't find it in game video setting

Can someone help me please

[On Vam Ne Steem]

DLSS in this game give a rather small boost than it can be.Also this version is not so good with hair, horse's tales and etc.Picture with it is better than with TAA, but it's get more pixelated than DLSS option in Control.

[Savager]

Originally posted by FOX:

Originally posted by FOX:

Can someone explain how to enable it? I can't find it in game video setting

Can someone help me please

Do you have RTX card? Do you have latest drivers?

[SaLaĐiN]

If it looks worse than before, order a glasses.

[he1kk¡]

I'm playing the game with 3080ti and i7 11700k with 3840x2160p resolution with dlss quality mode and graphic settings are mostly all high, some ultra and the game looks crisp and detailed compared to running it with taa enabled. It's solid 60fps playing with tv and gamepad, so thats nice. DLSS does not suck, if you have the hardware to push high resolutions, dlss makes games looking great, even better than native 4k image (death stranding). Even if you dont have high end pc, with dlss enabled and configured right, most games are likely to see healthy fps boosts without hurting the image quality too much or not doing so at all.

[Afanickton]

Originally posted by ShadowGamer_Inc:

Originally posted by NT4B2B4E:

You made a point about how DLSS makes the game graphic worse, but you provided no system spec, graphic card driver, your resolution, or screenshots comparison. You provided no details whatsoever, other than you're running 2070 RTX. How do you think people are going to take you seriously?

It don't matter anyways as the game is broken and unplayable for me since the update aka nonstop crashes and sometimes wont even start at all.

It actually does matter, as I have a 2060 Super and run this game on ultra/high at 1080p and get 90+FPS with DLSS off (I hate the way DLSS makes games look).

[⎛⎝Duckers McQuack⎠⎞]

Originally posted by Tashnaladar:

what exactly IS dlss? digital laced surface scanning? i wish the whole words were said so i could have a better idea of what it is, laughing out loud

Here, from google.


Q: What is DLSS?
A: Deep Learning Super Sampling (DLSS) is an NVIDIA RTX technology that uses the power of AI to boost your frame rates in games with graphically-intensive workloads. With DLSS, gamers can use higher resolutions and settings while still maintaining solid framerates.

Q: How does DLSS work?
A: The DLSS team first extracts many aliased frames from the target game, and then for each one we generate a matching “perfect frame” using either super-sampling or accumulation rendering. These paired frames are fed to NVIDIA’s supercomputer. The supercomputer trains the DLSS model to recognize aliased inputs and generate high quality anti-aliased images that match the “perfect frame” as closely as possible. We then repeat the process, but this time we train the model to generate additional pixels rather than applying AA. This has the effect of increasing the resolution of the input. Combining both techniques enables the GPU to render the full monitor resolution at higher frame rates.

Originally posted by ShadowGamer_Inc:

I was really looking forward to using DLSS for RDR2 but DLSS makes the game look even worse than before and I barely get any performance increase. I am on a RTX 2070 and have tried both Vulkan and DirectX12 [which is also broken]. Any suggestions?

Same here with my 2080, next to no performance increase at all.. Just made it blurrier, and grass DoF is screwed up as well.