Why so much hate towards Micah?

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

Micah's my favorite character. Dunno why everyone's hating on him.

Is it just because he went on a murder rampage in Strawberry? Let's take a step back and think about this, because he was just acting in self defense. They were trying to kill him.

How many people have Arthur killed? Think about that murder rampage he did in Saint Denis when robbing the bank. At least Micah kills in self defense, but not Arthur.

Or is it because Micah is agonizing the women in our camp for not carrying there own weight? Pretty much how Arthur agonizes Uncle? Is it really so unreasonable for Micah to suggest getting rid of the useless gang members which would make it much easier to evade the law in a small, efficient and fast team?

That's all Micah wanted. A team which he can make money together with, as real outlaws outside the law and moral restrictions. Arthur had to ruin it all, even going so far to throwing out Strauss that poor man.

[Silhouette]

I hate Micah!

And that's why I love him as a character! XD

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

İlk olarak Armageddon tarafından gönderildi:

Micah is a really well written and thought out character with a lot of depth, so my "hate" for Micah isn't for any of those reasons.

That being said, is he someone that I root for? No.

His reason for betraying the gang makes sense and is a very real theme we see in real life. "I'm a survivor", he says. It makes a lot of sense for him to take that deal that the Pinkertons offered him. Dutch's gang was a sinking ship, even before Micah's betrayal. Dutch even alludes to it when Arthur is first offered the same deal they gave Micah, "Why didn't you take it?" Dutch said.

Towards the end, a lot of the gang left. Uncle, Tilly, Sadie, Trelawny, Swanson, and of course John, Jack, and Abigail. The reason that I don't root for Micah's success is not that he left the sinking ship that was Dutch's gang, it's that he did it in the most underhanded, dishonorable way.

Betrayal. Alerting the Pinkertons to the same type of things that he would be doing had they not approached him. He doesn't claim any moral superiority, but him doing that is extremely dishonorable and unbecoming, considering that everyone was expected to be loyal to Dutch's gang, and many members were killed because the law and Pinkertons were one step ahead of Dutch's gang.

Like i said, Micah is a very well thought out character and Rockstar did a good job with him, so it's not like i hate him as a character, but out of anyone in the gang, he's definitely the most easy to root against.

You were doing good with your post until it came to the paragraph about betrayal. So what if everyone was expected to be loyal to Dutch? It's like IRL, everyone is expected to pay taxes, but not everyone feels good about giving away such a big share of their hard earned money to a corrupt government who uses the tax money for their own personal gain through their lobbying schemes etc. Arthur wasn't loyal to Dutch either. Arthur was starting a mutiny behind his back and was planning to steal all the money. Was Arthur justified? Not by the law at least. Through his own opinion? Sure. But Micah was justified through his own opinion as well.

[Armageddon]

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İlk olarak Armageddon tarafından gönderildi:

Micah is a really well written and thought out character with a lot of depth, so my "hate" for Micah isn't for any of those reasons.

That being said, is he someone that I root for? No.

His reason for betraying the gang makes sense and is a very real theme we see in real life. "I'm a survivor", he says. It makes a lot of sense for him to take that deal that the Pinkertons offered him. Dutch's gang was a sinking ship, even before Micah's betrayal. Dutch even alludes to it when Arthur is first offered the same deal they gave Micah, "Why didn't you take it?" Dutch said.

Towards the end, a lot of the gang left. Uncle, Tilly, Sadie, Trelawny, Swanson, and of course John, Jack, and Abigail. The reason that I don't root for Micah's success is not that he left the sinking ship that was Dutch's gang, it's that he did it in the most underhanded, dishonorable way.

Betrayal. Alerting the Pinkertons to the same type of things that he would be doing had they not approached him. He doesn't claim any moral superiority, but him doing that is extremely dishonorable and unbecoming, considering that everyone was expected to be loyal to Dutch's gang, and many members were killed because the law and Pinkertons were one step ahead of Dutch's gang.

Like i said, Micah is a very well thought out character and Rockstar did a good job with him, so it's not like i hate him as a character, but out of anyone in the gang, he's definitely the most easy to root against.

You were doing good with your post until it came to the paragraph about betrayal. So what if everyone was expected to be loyal to Dutch? It's like IRL, everyone is expected to pay taxes, but not everyone feels good about giving away such a big share of their hard earned money to a corrupt government who uses the tax money for their own personal gain through their lobbying schemes etc. Arthur wasn't loyal to Dutch either. Arthur was starting a mutiny behind his back and was planning to steal all the money. Was Arthur justified? Not by the law at least. Through his own opinion? Sure. But Micah was justified through his own opinion as well.

You make very good points. I suppose it's a matter of perspective. When you said "So what if everyone was expected to be loyal to Dutch?", it really is a matter of perspective. To me, the idea of loyalty is important, especially in a group. Micah is very machiavellian, but I don't subscribe to that ideology.

As far as Arthur not being loyal to Dutch, I see it a little differently than you. Dutch had lost faith in Arthur (partly due to Micah putting seeds of doubt in his head), and had left him to die at least once (the part where Eagle Flies saved Arthur).

I do agree with you that Micah and Arthur are both justified based on their own opinions like you said. There are two sides to every story, but for me, I side more with Arthur than Micah

[Doomier Guy]

İlk olarak ZER0_K% tarafından gönderildi:

Well, technically Micah was doing good in the world when he snitched. Dutch's gang was a gang of low life murderers and MIcah helped the authorities to get rid of them. That deserves a gold medal.

Again, for purely selfish reasons.

He is saving himself for Abigail.

Angry virgin Micah. No wonder he is so highly strung XD

[OSMOSISJONES]

İlk olarak SteadyEddie86 tarafından gönderildi:

It's not about the killing. Everyone kills in the game. It's about the reasons behind the killing, the general attitude and behaviour towards others, hypocrisy and slyness backstabbing and total betrayal of everyone in the camp. Micah is a complete douche, essentially like Trump, and anyone who likes Micah (or Trump) makes me puke...

i like micah so start puking

[Ares4X]

Yeaah Cowpoke start puking! Mmmhmhmm....Hahahaha.........Micah is such a lovely character in the game.

[Ares4X]

Found something interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCiOCTUz_vk

[Ares4X]

Maybe SPOILERS ahead!

[Jakobb]

İlk olarak Micah tarafından gönderildi:

Micah's my favorite character. Dunno why everyone's hating on him.

Because he's a slightly ... slightly more sane version of Trevor ... a borderline sociopath ... listen to what he said about Lenny and Hosea in Guarma (if you asked him). I mean, he is loyal, to Dutch at least, and he is a decent gunman, but ... give me Javier or Charles or (sniff) Lenny any day over Micah.

I don't hate him, but he's the only one I rarely say hello to ... And I won't be surprises to learn he's the snitch, not John.

He's NOT an antagonist, though ... in spite of that video's description. He antagonises, sure, but that just means he's a sociopathic ass, not an antagonist. The O'Donnellys, that Pinkerton dude and the oil baron (and, briefly, Mr Mafioso) are our antagonists.

[Surviva 777]

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Holy crap you actually love Micah??? He's such an evil character! Man, you might as well love the devil xD And wth, he never defended himself in Strawberry, he bloody killed the Sheriff and his wife. HE IS EVIL, A LIAR AND A SNAKE! And don't forget, Micah is the one who planned to have the whole gang killed and backstabbed them all. HOW IS THIS EVEN A DISCUSSION!? Everyone has a reason to hate him! Micah = a tool of Satan. This is NO different than being a Luciferian worshipper. How blind are you to NOT see it!?

PS: Arthur is NOT a bad guy, yes, he did do bad things, but, the whole time he was nothing but loyal to the whole gang, especially Dutch. Arthur exposed Micah's plan and wanted to stop him. Micah corrupted Dutch and got into his ear big time as well as a few gang members. Micah is NOT a good character, I'm glad he's dead, good riddance snake...and btw, Micah was all about himself, he used everyone even Dutch to get the money all for HIMSELF. If you feel offended or triggered, good, I'm all in for more triggers but spoken in %100 truth from what I have to say...

[Omsimnida]

he's a douchebag

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

İlk olarak Surviva777 tarafından gönderildi:

SPOILER ALERTS IN THIS COMMENT:



Holy crap you actually love Micah??? He's such an evil character! Man, you might as well love the devil xD And wth, he never defended himself in Strawberry, he bloody killed the Sheriff and his wife. HE IS EVIL, A LIAR AND A SNAKE! And don't forget, Micah is the one who planned to have the whole gang killed and backstabbed them all. HOW IS THIS EVEN A DISCUSSION!? Everyone has a reason to hate him! Micah = a tool of Satan. This is NO different than being a Luciferian worshipper. How blind are you to NOT see it!?

PS: Arthur is NOT a bad guy, yes, he did do bad things, but, the whole time he was nothing but loyal to the whole gang, especially Dutch. Arthur exposed Micah's plan and wanted to stop him. Micah corrupted Dutch and got into his ear big time as well as a few gang members. Micah is NOT a good character, I'm glad he's dead, good riddance snake...and btw, Micah was all about himself, he used everyone even Dutch to get the money all for HIMSELF. If you feel offended or triggered, good, I'm all in for more triggers but spoken in %100 truth from what I have to say...

You should have read some of the replies in this topic, because now you've only wasted your time writing all that. You are just repeating some of the old arguments which have already been defeated.

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

İlk olarak Jakobb tarafından gönderildi:

He antagonises, sure, but that just means he's a sociopathic ass

lol.. so anyone who antagonizes others are sociopaths. Then most humans are sociopaths. Arthur is the biggest sociopath of them all, because he antagonizes almost everyone.

[Husker_85]

İlk olarak ZER0_K% tarafından gönderildi:

we already had a whole discussion on sociopaths and psychopaths. We ruled that Micah is neither.

Gaslighting - check

[Starbarian]

Because everybody has a friend or acquaintance who is behaves exactly like Micah.
As least for me.