Why so much hate towards Micah?

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

Micah's my favorite character. Dunno why everyone's hating on him.

Is it just because he went on a murder rampage in Strawberry? Let's take a step back and think about this, because he was just acting in self defense. They were trying to kill him.

How many people have Arthur killed? Think about that murder rampage he did in Saint Denis when robbing the bank. At least Micah kills in self defense, but not Arthur.

Or is it because Micah is agonizing the women in our camp for not carrying there own weight? Pretty much how Arthur agonizes Uncle? Is it really so unreasonable for Micah to suggest getting rid of the useless gang members which would make it much easier to evade the law in a small, efficient and fast team?

That's all Micah wanted. A team which he can make money together with, as real outlaws outside the law and moral restrictions. Arthur had to ruin it all, even going so far to throwing out Strauss that poor man.

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

k33th eredeti hozzászólása:

Micah eredeti hozzászólása:

Sounds like someone's in denial :P

I hit the nerve, eh.

That's what you think, but what's interesting is how you feel a need to gloat and rub it in as well. Isn't that rather vindictive? Thanks for proving my earlier point.

[kth]

Micah eredeti hozzászólása:

k33th eredeti hozzászólása:

I hit the nerve, eh.

That's what you think, but what's interesting is how you feel a need to gloat and rub it in as well. Isn't that rather vindictive? Thanks for proving my earlier point.

I can just copy and paste your reply and it will fit the situation perfectly.

[Wayz]

ZER0_K% eredeti hozzászólása:

Bloodysod eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah well cowardly and weak seems to be the other new normal these days, so gobble it up, I guess.

Best Villains are cowards and weaklings. Look at King Joffrey from GoT (the best Villain in the series, imo)

I much prefer the cold, foreboding, talk a whole lot less ♥♥♥♥ types types lol or at least when they do say something its something that demands attention.
Or at least if does talk ♥♥♥♥ make the antagonist a whole lot more intelligent & educated like doc holiday for example, aggravating, confrontational, witty & mocking with the will to follow though on on what he says.

Micah talked a whole lot but when it came down to it and Arthur called him on it he turned into a shrinking violet and slunk away like a kicked dog. He is like a lone jackal.

[A_Cheeky_Vixen]

I sincerely hope you're trolling Micah, cuz if that's how you view humanity, I'm genuinely sorry you've only had to deal with the worst of it... Humans are selfish and vindictive yes, but we can also be so much more than that, I'm not gonna go into details here cuz I don't fancy writing a bloody essay on a steam post, but selfishness doesn't get you anything meaningful, and the more you perpetrate it, the more your words become true, which I can only find infinitely sad...

Kindness is costly yes, but the rewards your sew from it are priceless compared to the material things selfishness will get you, at least that's the way I see it ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

[Doomier Guy]

ZER0_K% eredeti hozzászólása:

Ah, I love how you praise Micah. My favorite character. Seriously, Micah and Dutch are the whole reason the entire story exists. Sure, there is an evil-doer in the story here and there. But none quite like Micah and Dutch. Two Sith Lords.

I mean Dutch is pretty evil and crazy. And so is Micah. It is actually hard to say who is more twisted. 2 of my favorite characters. But I think I might like Micah just a little more. And I love how he is cowardly and weak sometimes, it just makes him so much more evil.

I actually found Micah look alike in the movie called The Ballad of Lefty Brown. Seriously, so much Micah looking and also twisted.

Eh I found Dutch to be the far more nuanced character. Micah is really just a one note bad guy. There's literally nothing about him that is presented as a positive attribute. I actually think it's a massively missed opportunity by the writers. If there had been occasions where Micah actually says something positive, or does something for the gang out of goodwill rather than for selfish purposes, then his character would have far more depth and complexity. Overall he's just presented as an arsehole who influenced Dutch down a dark path. Nothing more nothing less.

[Doomier Guy]

ZER0_K% eredeti hozzászólása:

Joe "Commie Cuck" Biden eredeti hozzászólása:

Eh I found Dutch to be the far more nuanced character. Micah is really just a one note bad guy. There's literally nothing about him that is presented as a positive attribute. I actually think it's a massively missed opportunity by the writers. If there had been occasions where Micah actually says something positive, or does something for the gang out of goodwill rather than for selfish purposes, then his character would have far more depth and complexity. Overall he's just presented as an arsehole who influenced Dutch down a dark path. Nothing more nothing less.

Actually, Micah tries to be good to the gang in his own way and whenever he does and something goes wrong he just gets hate from Arthur. Micah is trying.

How much of the story have you played?

[Doomier Guy]

It just seems that you've missed a lot of the side dialogue from spending time in the camp that's all.

No need to be aggressive about it jeez.

[Doomier Guy]

ZER0_K% eredeti hozzászólása:

Joe "Commie Cuck" Biden eredeti hozzászólása:

It just seems that you've missed a lot of the side dialogue from spending time in the camp that's all.

No need to be aggressive about it jeez.

200 hours on ps4, read attentively. MIcah's dialogue doesn't excuse the fact that he tried to be helpful many times and many times he is not a ♥♥♥♥ at all. Just saying. No need to be passive aggressive about it, jeez.

So that's a no then. I assumed as much.

I recommend watching the clips on youtube off Micah's er...interactions...with the gang members. It will definitely change your perception off him. In fact, there's a heap of background story in all of them.

[Doomier Guy]

ZER0_K% eredeti hozzászólása:

Joe "Commie Cuck" Biden eredeti hozzászólása:

So that's a no then. I assumed as much.

I recommend watching the clips on youtube off Micah's er...interactions...with the gang members. It will definitely change your perception off him. In fact, there's a heap of background story in all of them.

boy do you respond slowly, I left the edit to my other post minutes ago.

You kinda remind me of Micah in the camp.

Like I said, read attentively. His dialogue and him being MEAN. WHICH HE IS. DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE IS NOT A LAYERED CHARACTER. HE TRIES TO BE GOOD AND NICE. He gets rejected.

What's with the insults? You're being aggressive asf for some reason?

Example?

[Doomier Guy]

ZER0_K% eredeti hozzászólása:

Joe "Commie Cuck" Biden eredeti hozzászólása:

What's with the insults? You're being aggressive asf for some reason?

Example?

His side mission: Stealing Coach with Arthur he tries to befriend and be nice to Arthur and the gang.

He also tries to be nice to Arthur and the gang when they are doing a job to appease Dutch, Micah's own input to the gang near Strawberry, which is also another Coach hold up but within the main story.

There are more of course, and in chapter 4, once they crash on the island, he is actually nice and sad.

Of course, he is not being nice like a girl would be nice. But he is being nice.

Here you go: you talking about bad writing? About characters and him not being layered. That is enough to answer for that. And I ain't telling you another thing.

Ok you've either entirely missed the subtext or are just plain trolling here.

Micah is only interested in robbing the payroll coach so he can crawl back to Dutch with a quote "peace offering". It's also the start of his corrupting influence on Dutch. It's like when he makes a big deal of his measly 25 buck donation, his one and only non-mission contribution to the ledger. It's ego and the fear of losing opportunities to get money.

In Guarma, Micah explicitly states that Hosea and Lenny meant "nothing" and that "their time was up" as well as saying Lenny was full of himself. Complete lack of sympathy.

There's stuff like this all the way through his arc, and like I've said, most of the background subtext is faaaar more blatant in the camp dialogues. Micah is a one-note character. There's literally nothing positive about him at all. I think most people would agree with that. Hell, even the van der Linde gang think that apart from Dutch. Even Micah's family hate him.

[Doomier Guy]

ZER0_K% eredeti hozzászólása:

Micah acts like an angered man. He can't be nice to anyone even when he wants so he always makes jokes that end up being mean. He tries to bed girls in camp, he doesn't know how and gets rejects, making him worse.

Whenever he has a plan and it fails people start hating on Micah and he just gets meaner.

Since his attitude is forever ruined, he can be judged by his actions, and in his actions he does try to be good from time to time. But people won't let him redeem himself.

You're getting into highly subjective perception here. I'm merely going by what happens and is said in the story arc. Micah isn't a tragic anti-hero. Far from it.

[Doomier Guy]

Dude, calm down. You're coming across very aggressive for literally no reason. Are you having a bad day?

ZER0_K% eredeti hozzászólása:

You are. You seem to only concentrate on the bad things he's done. Not the good things he tried to say/accomplish. And the THING IS.

I'm asking you for an example of where Micah actually did something that wasn't purely for selfish reasons. You have yet to provide an example that is clear and definitive.

YOU SAID ONE NOTE BAD GUY HURR DURR.

Clearly, you are missing your own points.

I think that is enough to justify that Micah is not just ONE NOTE BAD GUY. But so much more. But he is obviously a villain in this game.

CASE CLOSED.

For Micah to not be a one note bad guy I'd have to agree with you. I don't. Like I've said, you have yet to provide any evidence to back your point. Meanwhile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0EgvbEz7KU

[Doomier Guy]

And I thoroughly rebutted your points. Which is why I'm asking you for the third time: name one clear and definitive example where Micah did something that wasn't driven for purely selfish reasons? And going by your logic, and given that Micah's only really "positive" interaction with the gang is with Dutch (again, for selfish reasons) how is he "nice" exactly? Do we see him donating to a church? Giving food to the homeless? Doing anything in the camp aside from causing trouble?

I eagerly await your most enlightened response..

[|VIP-S| Agr]

Joe "Commie Cuck" Biden eredeti hozzászólása:

And I thoroughly rebutted your points. Which is why I'm asking you for the third time: name one clear and definitive example where Micah did something that wasn't driven for purely selfish reasons? And going by your logic, and given that Micah's only really "positive" interaction with the gang is with Dutch (again, for selfish reasons) how is he "nice" exactly? Do we see him donating to a church? Giving food to the homeless? Doing anything in the camp aside from causing trouble?

I eagerly await your most enlightened response..

The guy is trolling you hard, but I guess its fun to take the bait sometimes. . .

Its very clear that Micah is trash, and he treats everyone else in camp like trash except for when he needs to build bridges to keep out of trouble with Dutch.

Early on he is nicer to Arthur because he hasn't driven a wedge between him and Dutch yet.
Once he gets Dutch on his side, he lays into Arthur harder than anyone else.

He does so because Arthur is onto Micah's game which makes him the biggest threat.

Micah spends the whole game maneuvering himself to replace Arthur and the rest of Dutch's old guard.

[A_Cheeky_Vixen]

The only thing I have to add is that if a story can manage to create that much duel viewing over a character then it definitely did its job correctly. I don't think anyone's wrong here, just different perceptions of different actions, though it would be more constructive if y'all tried to understand each other's perspective rather than convince everyone your POV is the only valid one ;)

I like your argument Zero, even if I don't agree with it, I'll certainly try to replay the story trying to frame Micah as somewhat of a good guy, if only just for the sake of saying I tried :)