Why so much hate towards Micah?

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

Micah's my favorite character. Dunno why everyone's hating on him.

Is it just because he went on a murder rampage in Strawberry? Let's take a step back and think about this, because he was just acting in self defense. They were trying to kill him.

How many people have Arthur killed? Think about that murder rampage he did in Saint Denis when robbing the bank. At least Micah kills in self defense, but not Arthur.

Or is it because Micah is agonizing the women in our camp for not carrying there own weight? Pretty much how Arthur agonizes Uncle? Is it really so unreasonable for Micah to suggest getting rid of the useless gang members which would make it much easier to evade the law in a small, efficient and fast team?

That's all Micah wanted. A team which he can make money together with, as real outlaws outside the law and moral restrictions. Arthur had to ruin it all, even going so far to throwing out Strauss that poor man.

[AC Denton]

Optimistic vs pessimistic view. Interesting.
You bring Micah's morality up to Arthurs level, rather than Arthurs down to Micah's.

Instead, I'd say the hate of Micah is justified, the praise of Arthur is not.
He is complicit in almost everything Micha does, hypocritically shoves all blame onto him afterwards and was making moves with John, Abigail and Sadie to betray the gang and split up, before Dutch leaving Arthur for dead.
All while committing his own crimes and drawing attention to the gang, for example; going with Sadie to wipe out the O'driscolls, yet when Dutch takes people out he's somehow a madman.

[Tohtori Leka]

Because he's a small-minded selfish hothead and a degenerate hypocrite and probably a psychopath. He's accusing others of not pulling their weight, yet he never donated a single penny to the camp. He only brought trouble with him and his rampage in Strawberry was not about self defense but about getting his guns back. In his mind those specific guns were worth more than the lives of a whole town. Arthur only killed when he had to and as self defense on those robberies. I don't understand how you could get those mixed up.

That's just the problem. All Micah wanted was a way to make money for him. He didn't care about the gang or any of the principles the gang lived by.

[WHTSUPTURKY]

i agree with u

[Bloodysod]

Shet, dunno. Wouldn't be because he's a slippery weasel? Or maybe him and/or his sidekicks stole all the money you've put in the coffer as he sat on his asss while you were "contributing" to the camp?
The mystery continues...

[🔥Astral Rage🔥]

Well Micah is a traitor but I guess there is no honor among theives
Also he is a psycho he slaughtered whole town for his guns

Although I slaughtered a whole lot more but u get the point

[A_Cheeky_Vixen]

So you've either not finished the game or I'm seriously concerned about your morals.



Spoilers ahead, fair warning.






Antagonised and probably would have raped Sady Addler if Dutch and Arthur hadn't intervened, before setting fire to her house is one of the many reasons I don't like Micah, yes it was accidental, but that just shows you the type of person he is, too busy indulging his own sick pleasure to pay attention to his surrounding, and in doing so destroying a warm home the gang would have used as a respite.

Also the fact that he took shameless advantage of Dutch losing his marbles to weasel his way into his good graces and completely screw over the entire gang, only to end up betraying them and selling them to the authorities, and putting that blame on Molly, who got summarily executed for it.

In your Strawbery argument you seem to forget he was in this situation because he got caught shooting people left and right with Lenny, and then proceeded to caryr right on merrily shooting left and right to go get his bloody guns.

Besides just because Arthur is hardly an angel doesn't mean Micah isn't a terrible person, that's a completely flawed argument, one character's bad actions does not justify another's.

As for the useless member argument, they don't get rid of "useless" members of the gang because they care about those members, the Dutch Vanderline gang, at least at the beginning is not about ruthless efficiency, they make a point of showing you that in the first chapters, it's completely delusional but they truly believe it.

Charles says it, John says it, Arthur says it, Dutch says it, they all believe it, and the whole point of the narrative is the deconstruction of that illusion through the downward spiral Dutch drags his gang into, until finally Arthur has to make the choice to "betray" Dutch. The game's very theme is how far would you be willing to go for your team, how much you're willing to ignore to justify the actions they take, and what price blind loyalty can have.

Micah is the seed of destruction that stokes the ever increasing madness that befalls Dutch, he's only in it for himself,

He's selfish, vindictive and completely untrustworthy.

Is he well written and believable ? Yes absolutely.

Will I let him rot in the Strawberry prison for as long as I feasibly can ? You betcha.

[Bloodysod]

Yeah well cowardly and weak seems to be the other new normal these days, so gobble it up, I guess.

[|VIP-S| Agr]

Micah is a good character, and I'm glad he's in the story.
He is an excellent foil for Arthur, and we all love to hate him for being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rat.

[Azure Amalthea]

He reminds me of Trevor from GTA V. I already had him pegged as the villain in the first chapter. He's a loose cannon, selfish, a bit crazy and goes by his own ways. I honestly wouldn't mind playing him as a character, same way we can play as Trevor and have a different story line with Micah's actions as a side part.
I don't hate Micah, he isn't my favorite character either. But I think he brings a good balance to the sheeple ways the others in the gang act, going against Dutch's saying of "Help those who are in need of helping and kill those who need killing" or however he says it. Micah just believes in "Kill all who need killing 'cause they all need killing'. LOL
Every game needs a character like Micah in it, the guy/girl who is there to make the player either loathe or adore them because of how different and "evil" they are in comparison to the other characters.
As I said: A sense of balance

[kth]

Because he killed Jack's dog.

[Wayz]

Mostly because R* let him run his mouth time and time again and forbid me from shooting him in the head.
Arthur is an outlaw, If I cant gun down people I don't like , whats the point?
May as well go straight and get an honest job at that point.

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

Originally posted by A_Cheeky_Vixen:

So you've either not finished the game or I'm seriously concerned about your morals.



Spoilers ahead, fair warning.






Antagonised and probably would have raped Sady Addler if Dutch and Arthur hadn't intervened, before setting fire to her house is one of the many reasons I don't like Micah, yes it was accidental, but that just shows you the type of person he is, too busy indulging his own sick pleasure to pay attention to his surrounding, and in doing so destroying a warm home the gang would have used as a respite.

Also the fact that he took shameless advantage of Dutch losing his marbles to weasel his way into his good graces and completely screw over the entire gang, only to end up betraying them and selling them to the authorities, and putting that blame on Molly, who got summarily executed for it.

In your Strawbery argument you seem to forget he was in this situation because he got caught shooting people left and right with Lenny, and then proceeded to caryr right on merrily shooting left and right to go get his bloody guns.

Besides just because Arthur is hardly an angel doesn't mean Micah isn't a terrible person, that's a completely flawed argument, one character's bad actions does not justify another's.

As for the useless member argument, they don't get rid of "useless" members of the gang because they care about those members, the Dutch Vanderline gang, at least at the beginning is not about ruthless efficiency, they make a point of showing you that in the first chapters, it's completely delusional but they truly believe it.

Charles says it, John says it, Arthur says it, Dutch says it, they all believe it, and the whole point of the narrative is the deconstruction of that illusion through the downward spiral Dutch drags his gang into, until finally Arthur has to make the choice to "betray" Dutch. The game's very theme is how far would you be willing to go for your team, how much you're willing to ignore to justify the actions they take, and what price blind loyalty can have.

Micah is the seed of destruction that stokes the ever increasing madness that befalls Dutch, he's only in it for himself,

He's selfish, vindictive and completely untrustworthy.

Is he well written and believable ? Yes absolutely.

Will I let him rot in the Strawberry prison for as long as I feasibly can ? You betcha.

He betrayed the gang because it was a loser gang who only gave him ♥♥♥♥ all the time. It's only human to be vindictive and passionate for revenge. The difference is that most people IRL are scared of the consequences of seeking out revenge unless they can do it without breaking the law, or if they are religious and don't want to go to hell.

It's also human to be selfish. Very few people are going to go out of their way to help someone else, especially if it costs them something to help the other person. The only times people would help each other is if they can do it without going out of their way to do it.

Micah was a realist and a winner. He knew the rules of the game and he played it well.

[kth]

Originally posted by Micah:

Originally posted by A_Cheeky_Vixen:

So you've either not finished the game or I'm seriously concerned about your morals.



Spoilers ahead, fair warning.






Antagonised and probably would have raped Sady Addler if Dutch and Arthur hadn't intervened, before setting fire to her house is one of the many reasons I don't like Micah, yes it was accidental, but that just shows you the type of person he is, too busy indulging his own sick pleasure to pay attention to his surrounding, and in doing so destroying a warm home the gang would have used as a respite.

Also the fact that he took shameless advantage of Dutch losing his marbles to weasel his way into his good graces and completely screw over the entire gang, only to end up betraying them and selling them to the authorities, and putting that blame on Molly, who got summarily executed for it.

In your Strawbery argument you seem to forget he was in this situation because he got caught shooting people left and right with Lenny, and then proceeded to caryr right on merrily shooting left and right to go get his bloody guns.

Besides just because Arthur is hardly an angel doesn't mean Micah isn't a terrible person, that's a completely flawed argument, one character's bad actions does not justify another's.

As for the useless member argument, they don't get rid of "useless" members of the gang because they care about those members, the Dutch Vanderline gang, at least at the beginning is not about ruthless efficiency, they make a point of showing you that in the first chapters, it's completely delusional but they truly believe it.

Charles says it, John says it, Arthur says it, Dutch says it, they all believe it, and the whole point of the narrative is the deconstruction of that illusion through the downward spiral Dutch drags his gang into, until finally Arthur has to make the choice to "betray" Dutch. The game's very theme is how far would you be willing to go for your team, how much you're willing to ignore to justify the actions they take, and what price blind loyalty can have.

Micah is the seed of destruction that stokes the ever increasing madness that befalls Dutch, he's only in it for himself,

He's selfish, vindictive and completely untrustworthy.

Is he well written and believable ? Yes absolutely.

Will I let him rot in the Strawberry prison for as long as I feasibly can ? You betcha.

He betrayed the gang because it was a loser gang who only gave him ♥♥♥♥ all the time. It's only human to be vindictive and passionate for revenge. The difference is that most people IRL are scared of the consequences of seeking out revenge unless they can do it without breaking the law, or if they are religious and don't want to go to hell.

It's also human to be selfish. Very few people are going to go out of their way to help someone else, especially if it costs them something to help the other person. The only times people would help each other is if they can do it without going out of their way to do it.

Micah was a realist and a winner. He knew the rules of the game and he played it well.

In the end he was betrayed by his closest ally and killed by someone who he never considered to be a threat. "Realist and a winner" lol.
Also if being selfish, vindictive and passionate for revenge is what defines being human the most for you, you need to stop playing vg and do something with your life mate.

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

Originally posted by k33th:

In the end he was betrayed by his closest ally and killed by someone who he never considered to be a threat. "Realist and a winner" lol.
Also if being selfish, vindictive and passionate for revenge is what defines being human the most for you, you need to stop playing vg and do something with your life mate.

Sounds like someone's in denial :P

[kth]

Originally posted by Micah:

Originally posted by k33th:

In the end he was betrayed by his closest ally and killed by someone who he never considered to be a threat. "Realist and a winner" lol.
Also if being selfish, vindictive and passionate for revenge is what defines being human the most for you, you need to stop playing vg and do something with your life mate.

Sounds like someone's in denial :P

I hit the nerve, eh.