oh the cheaters in this game...

[Tony Shor]

you start delivery -- they spawn behind you immediately
Absurd.
And rockstar did absolutely nothing about it. Why?? They love your games. Just ban them, and make them buy another copy of every game they've owned and loved. Win for us, win for you.

[roach112683]

Those are NPCs. Not players.

[Clancy]

Even in private lobbies, you'll either get attacked 5-6 times by small groups on the way to the drop, or get attacked by a large group when you arrive at the drop, all NPC's, not other players.

Not sure if this is happening to you, but sounds more like normal than griefers, especially if they're just attacking with guns and not raining flaming croc's or elephants on you . . .

[roach112683]

Originally posted by Clancy:

Even in private lobbies, you'll either get attacked 5-6 times by small groups on the way to the drop, or get attacked by a large group when you arrive at the drop, all NPC's, not other players.

Not sure if this is happening to you, but sounds more like normal than griefers, especially if they're just attacking with guns and not raining flaming croc's or elephants on you . . .

Yup. All the time. It's common for the mission. Especially if I'm doing a postal run.
If I'm on my trade wagon I just wait for them to get close and use my pump action and blast them. One shot.

[Silhouette]

Enemies regularly spawn behind you during these missions; that's normal.

Unless these enemies are completely unkillable; then you're dealing with cheaters.

[Stimmed]

Originally posted by Clancy:

raining flaming croc's or elephants on you . . .

Honestly, I'm surprised just how much cheating/hacking there is. I've not played a game this badly infected for over a decade. Raining wood cages that trap you with a bear, moving your camp, spawning predators in front of you, and the cheater is right there - telling you what they're doing!! Invisible stalkers, the list goes on, sadly.

[Silhouette]

Aye, it's ridiculous. :(

I don't have an amazing understanding of such things, but to the best of my knowledge, because this game uses peer-to-peer connections (rather than dedicated servers) I believe Rockstar has incredibly limited visibility as to what's actually happening within all the game sessions. They don't appear to have a good way of monitoring the rampant cheating that's taking place.

And because Rockstar apparently can't moderate this cheating, it appears to go completely unopposed. :/

Seriously, I've witnessed cheating in other games, but nothing can close close to just how blatant and frequent the cheating is in Red Dead Online and GTA Online for PC. :(

Rockstar and Take-Two REALLY need to address this in their future PC titles. :(

Sadly, I feel RDO on PC is pretty much a lost cause at this point.

If you want to play it you either need use a 3rd-party script to create private sessions, or you need to play the game on console where cheating isn't as big an issue (I rarely saw it on PlayStation).

Or perhaps this is just an Asia/North American West Coast issue, and Rockstar really couldn't care less about those members of it's audience because cheating is so much less of an issue elsewhere? I dunno.

I wish they would address it. :(

[FourZeroTwo]

That's why you should get your own mod menu that prevents attacks. Don't use it maliciously. The Exodus menu detects when another software injector enters the lobby and you can prevent them from harming or altering other players' experiences, boot them and more. You need to basically be your own anti-cheat since Rockstar isn't keen on doing crowd control much anymore. That's the only way I ever managed to play online for more than an hour without being kicked, harassed or cheated against consistently. Sounds.. counter-intuitive but when you don't use the tool to destroy other players it's actually the best defensive play currently available and can help more than just yourself.

I don't play online anymore because I got tired of paying for a subscription to a menu, so even by admitting my usage here I wouldn't care if I got banned from online. It's just a work around that I thought of once I saw what that menu could do specifically, but RDO doesn't have enough unique and engaging content in it to make me want to continue paying to play. If I do ever go back to online that is without a doubt, 100% what I will do again. These cheaters that seek to ruin everyone's night don't ever get dealt with so I have no remorse about installing 3rd party assistance to be able to JUST PLAY the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game.

[Zaltor]

Originally posted by roach112683:

Those are NPCs. Not players.

Are they usually dressed like captian American and fly outta of the sky throwing large ships? or are you in some kinda Hacker denial? almost 2-3 hackers per instance some do their own thing others mass teleport you, kill you, grief everything on server just to screw with people.

[Silhouette]

Originally posted by Juicy Jumbo:

That's why you should get your own mod menu that prevents attacks.

When the solution to avoid cheaters is to download your own cheats you know it's time to move on to another game. o_o

lol, but I hear where you're coming from.

[FourZeroTwo]

Originally posted by Silhouette:

Originally posted by Juicy Jumbo:

That's why you should get your own mod menu that prevents attacks.

When the solution to avoid cheaters is to download your own cheats you know it's time to move on to another game. o_o

lol, but I hear where you're coming from.

Absolutely agree with you lol, that's why I did it for a while and then moved on. Just isn't worth it, but it's certainly a fix if playing online is something somebody feels they need to do.

[Tony Shor]

Originally posted by roach112683:

Those are NPCs. Not players.

I can tell the difference between NPC and a cheater.

[Tony Shor]

Originally posted by Clancy:

Even in private lobbies, you'll either get attacked 5-6 times by small groups on the way to the drop, or get attacked by a large group when you arrive at the drop, all NPC's, not other players.

Not sure if this is happening to you, but sounds more like normal than griefers, especially if they're just attacking with guns and not raining flaming croc's or elephants on you . . .

You don't understand, just like your brain-brother above.

You start a delivery, nobody's around your camp, just as you spawn with your cart -- a dude spawns behind you, with a semi automatic pistol, and distinct username, kills you, blows up your cart, kills your horse, picks up the bag that fallen off the crate and runs. And when you try to revive your horse -- you blow up in the air. And then he's gone the way he showed up.
If this is an NPC then I'm Joe Biden.

[Silhouette]

Originally posted by Tony Shor:

You don't understand, just like your brain-brother above.

You start a delivery, nobody's around your camp, just as you spawn with your cart -- a dude spawns behind you, with a semi automatic pistol, and distinct username, kills you, blows up your cart, kills your horse, picks up the bag that fallen off the crate and runs. And when you try to revive your horse -- you blow up in the air. And then he's gone the way he showed up.
If this is an NPC then I'm Joe Biden.

Yeah. :/

Sadly, what you just described sounds like a typical session of Red Dead Online on PC. The game has a horrible cheating problem.

If you're unhappy with the current state of the game I strongly encourage you to leave a negative Steam review; it sends the loudest message to Rockstar/Take-Two that their game's in an awful state.

It also warns others about the rough shape the game's currently in. :(

[Tony Shor]

Originally posted by Silhouette:

Originally posted by Tony Shor:

You don't understand, just like your brain-brother above.

You start a delivery, nobody's around your camp, just as you spawn with your cart -- a dude spawns behind you, with a semi automatic pistol, and distinct username, kills you, blows up your cart, kills your horse, picks up the bag that fallen off the crate and runs. And when you try to revive your horse -- you blow up in the air. And then he's gone the way he showed up.
If this is an NPC then I'm Joe Biden.

Yeah. :/

Sadly, what you just described sounds like a typical session of Red Dead Online on PC. The game has a horrible cheating problem.

If you're unhappy with the current state of the game I strongly encourage you to leave a negative Steam review; it sends the loudest message to Rockstar/Take-Two that their game's in an awful state.

It also warns others about the rough shape the game's currently in. :(

You give sound advices my dear friend, but they both feel good and bad at the same time.
"Leaving a bad review" -- right thing to do, they deserved it, but then again, this game could've been the best one I've ever played, and it just feels bad to speak negatively of it, it just feels bad.
And for "cheating to protect myself from cheaters" -- might be the thing I'll eventually do, but that means becoming a cheater myself, and I despise them, with all my heart. You can do Bounty Hunting, Collecting, all kinds of stuff in public lobbies, but Trading role, especially full cart deliveries -- that's so frustrating, when you work hard to stack those materials, invest so much time in it, just to watch as the cheater ♥♥♥♥♥ it all up, and you are powerless to do anything against it -- yeah, might as well cheat your way into private lobby and feel bad about being a cheater, instead of feeling bad for losing all your effort.

Anyway, kudos to you.

[Silhouette]

Originally posted by Tony Shor:

"Leaving a bad review" -- right thing to do, they deserved it, but then again, this game could've been the best one I've ever played, and it just feels bad to speak negatively of it, it just feels bad.

I definitely hear you there. o_o

Truthfully, I think this game is incredible - especially the single player campaign!

And I honestly think the multiplayer has the potential to be one of the best online worlds on the market. :)

But, and it's a big but, I think the online is being completely ruined by the out-of-control cheating. :(

When I recommend disappointed players to leave a negative review it's not because I loathe this game or want to see it perform badly, it's just the opposite. I'm hoping that if Red Dead (Online specifically) Steam score were ever to drop to "mixed" it might prompt Rockstar/Take-Two to address the problems that are currently harming the game.

lol, that's probably an optimistic and naïve hope, but I'm not sure what else would draw Rockstar/Take-Two's attention towards fixing the issues that are currently ruining this otherwise incredible game. @_@