Keyboard Input Lag when tabbing out

[KingTimey]

After the update this afternoon I get insane keyboard input lag outside of the game when I tab out. It doesn't matter if it's just the Windows Search Bar or a Webbrowser. Everything else working fine, no visual lags and no mouse input lag. Just the insane input lag when typing. Never had a problem until today. Other games working fine as well. This even occurs in the Steam Overlay when trying to chat with a friend or opening the Steambrowser. I have a Razer Keyboard, if anyone else has this problem.

Edit: For a temporary fix look up post #145 to #148. https://steamcommunity.com/app/1174180/discussions/0/4410794772264329409/?ctp=3#c4410795103741435405
Thanks to Bad 💀 Motha and J.Jonah for that.

Edit: Thanks y'all for that many Community Awards <3

[Quotennoob]

Originally posted by veil:

Originally posted by RALOMCHEGG:

Rockstar's response:
For this we suggest you follow these steps -

Navigate to Documents/Rockstar Games/Red Dead Redemption 2/Settings
Open the file "systems.xml" in Notepad and scroll down until you find the "<advanceGraphics> section
In the line "<API>kSettingAPI_Vulkan</API>", please change "Vulkan" to "DX12" (without quotation marks)
Via Documents \ Rockstar Games \ Red Dead Redemption 2 \ Settings \ delete every file starting by sga_, like ga_vulkan_final_init.vkPipelineCacheHeaderWindows or sga_vulkan_final_init.vkWarmupCacheWindows (if they appear)

Open the Rockstar Games Launcher
Go to Settings
Select RDR2
Enter the launch options without the quotations: "-sgadriver=vulkan -ignorepipelinecache -USEALLAVAILABLECORES -high -borderless".
Access RDR2 and review if this has been |resolved.
If the problem has not been resolved then also retry with the same commands but changing "-sgadriver=d3d12".

If you still have any queries or issues then feel free to reach out to us again.

Unfortunately this solution doesn't work for me.

- modified the 'settings.xml' accordingly
- removed the "sga..." files from Settings folder
- set the attributes in the lancher. if I use "-sgadriver=vulkan", I still have the same input lag as before. If I use "-sgadriver=d3d12", then the lag is reduced, but still exists.

Same here.

[all night]

Does anyone checked if this happens only with RDR2? I checked Valve games, like Dota2 and CS2 - but no issue with those.

Can someone check with more demanding games? Maybe can someone check with GTA 5? To confirm its Rockstar Issue?

EDIT: Also, not sure if coincidance, just yesterday I switched AM4 > AM5 system, and faced this issue.
AM4 yesterday was no problem.

[snow_line]

same here

[all night]

Originally posted by Jamison:

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

Correction: there -is- something changed in the Social Club DLLs. This is based off of actual reversing the files to determine what is actually causing this. RDR2 doesn't "preload" shaders, that's not how RDR2 works. The RDR2.exe CRC has not changed, however the SC dlls have, and they're at fault. It is specifically RDR2.exe causing the keyboard input delay after Social Club injects into RDR2 at load time.

"Dropping some knowledge", this has never occurred with any other game that is competent, least of all RDR and GTA prior to the recent Social Club launcher update. This has never happened prior to yesterday's Social Club update; it appears to be a DLL injected at runtime by Social Club and persists throughout. This also affects GTA. There is no "alt-tab" stress, that's ridiculous, haha. Additionally, alt-tabbing during 'fullscreen' simply minimizes the game, it does not switch its configuration in settings. That's also misinformation. This comes from someone who's been reversing RDR2 for fun for many years and beyond RDR2.
- Jamison

Thank you for this thorough and educated answer.
Will have to wait for the bugfix then.

[RALOMCHEGG]

Originally posted by Fishin:

For what it is worth, I did a clean re-install. Cleaned out all the folders, including social club. Reloaded the game from a backup and the problem is solved.

Did you do a clean reinstall of the game or everything on your pc?

[J]

Originally posted by RALOMCHEGG:

Originally posted by Fishin:

For what it is worth, I did a clean re-install. Cleaned out all the folders, including social club. Reloaded the game from a backup and the problem is solved.

Did you do a clean reinstall of the game or everything on your pc?

This will not matter, and yes these things have been tried by some people. Again, it is a Social Club update issue with the DLLs they inject at runtime, that of which they updated yesterday early on. It affects RDR2 and GTA both.

[zrider100z]

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

you guys are alt tabbing when in fullscreen mode, which switches it to windowed mode, and then the game runs constantly while you're tabbed out.

you aren't supposed to alt tab period with this game, or any game that auto switches to windowed for that matter.

not saying like it's against the rules or anything, it's just that the obvious issue becomes present when you do so.

it's not actually a game problem, because the game is doing exactly what it was meant to do.

when you play in windowed, it allows you to access other things on your pc, but the game is still running as if it is focused.

all of you probably don't even realize it changed to windowed either and are wondering why your fps counter is locked.

Jesus Christ bro, no game had this sort of issues for the last 20 years and you are telling them it's not the game's fault. Gaming journalist moment.

[Lutece]

same problem. Now I can't do anything during playing RDR2

[KingTimey]

Originally posted by Jamison:

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

this isn't something new with the update.

maybe the lag is, but the switching to windowed has always been a thing because the game is always running as if it is focused.

it has always been recommended to NOT alt tab with this game. there are posts that are years old about this subject already where bad_motha comes in and drops the knowledge.

my experience with things like this tells me that the reason for the lag is the game is still actually loading shaders that were reset with the update, alt tabbing is just more stress on the computer while it does its job. it most likely will go away after shaders have been fully compiled and after that the game should also load up faster and no longer lag while you are in the background.

Correction: there -is- something changed in the Social Club DLLs. This is based off of actual reversing the files to determine what is actually causing this. RDR2 doesn't "preload" shaders, that's not how RDR2 works. The RDR2.exe CRC has not changed, however the SC dlls have, and they're at fault. It is specifically RDR2.exe causing the keyboard input delay after Social Club injects into RDR2 at load time. There's been attempts to forcibly load an older version however there's too many update angles to be bothered with. Unfortunately we'll have to wait for Rockstar to mitigate this. Fortunately it is occurring on GTA as well so they will definitely check into it.

As for "Dropping some knowledge", this has never occurred with any other game that is competent, least of all RDR and GTA prior to the recent Social Club launcher update. This has never happened prior to yesterday's Social Club update; it appears to be a DLL injected at runtime by Social Club and persists throughout. This also affects GTA. There is no "alt-tab" stress, that's ridiculous, haha. Additionally, alt-tabbing during 'fullscreen' simply minimizes the game, it does not switch its configuration in settings. That's also misinformation. This comes from someone who's been reversing RDR2 for fun for many years and beyond RDR2.
- Jamison

I can not confirm the problem with GTA5, have tried it while trying to find the issue. In my case I have GTA5 installed via the Epic Launcher and RDR2 via Steam.

What you call misinformation is indeed true. I know it doesn’t make any sense and I also didn’t have that happen in another game before. But try it out yourself:
Set the Game to fullscreen mode. It might need a restart. Then Alt+Tab out and the game switches to borderless window. I don‘t know if it has to do with having a second monitor, but in my case the game does exactly that.

[cortomaltes]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Why is this hard?
Everything I listed, you as a gamer should have already done.
Welcome to PC Gaming.

So, how have you profiled this multi-threading app, to state such diagnose? Gamer is meaningless word.

[Einkil]

Same problem here - hope this gets fixed soon without the need to reinstall everything.

[Segfault]

+1

[Lance_Daciano]

Same thing is happening to me. I finally got a reply from a real person (I think) after several AI generated replies from Rockstar Support:

“ Thank you for contacting Rockstar Support. We are actively collecting information from reports like yours to better understand this issue. If we require more information we will reach out for clarification on this ticket.

We will keep your ticket on hold for now while we investigate the issue. You should expect a response within two days, if not sooner.


Best regards,

Rockstar Support”

So it looks like they’re aware of it at least

[stolenchaser]

+1 Same it happens to me too when tabbing out. this also happens with GTA V, but it doesn't happen with any other game.

[stolenchaser]

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

Originally posted by G man:

GTA V is doing the same keyboard stutter. I don't like to tab out of games like this, but RDR2 is very expansive and I often need to look things up, and I noticed that the stuttering only occurs after the shaders compile. I am gonna look into this further.

ah so gta does have the issue then, i assumed because it had more support that it wouldn't.

seems that rockstar may have busted a shader file in compiling which isn't unheard of.

are you by chance playing on the new nvidia drivers?

i don't update them unless specifically they state they are doing something i can benefit from as the current drivers before the latest update worked just fine.

the current drivers right now that were just released for gameready were specifically only for DLSS in newer games, they did nothing for older games like this one and may have had architecture in them that borked the pipeline.

Originally posted by G man:

the strange thing is that the keyboard works fine in game

that's because the game is "focused" your pc is specifically trying to give you the best performance in the game while limiting outside and background apps.

i am on an AMD RX 6600, driver 24.6.1, i also get keyboard input lag when tabbing out. same thing happens with GTA 5. this doesn't happen with any other games