is there multiple universes in rdr2 and rdr1?

[von Tresckow]

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[Erynar]

rdr2 is a prequel to rdr1, and they take place in the same timeline and universe.

[von Tresckow]

Erynar님이 먼저 게시:

rdr2 is a prequel to rdr1, and they take place in the same timeline and universe.

but every player does different choices which is real

[Erynar]

ercanteke님이 먼저 게시:

Erynar님이 먼저 게시:

rdr2 is a prequel to rdr1, and they take place in the same timeline and universe.

but every player does different choices which is real

None of it is real. It's a game, and players have the chance to play through it. As with any game, players have some amount of choice in what they do, but the story is defined by the cut scenes and the basic events that occur in missions.

The parallel universe and multiverse stuff come into fiction when the folks telling the story want to present alternate versions of a story, alternate versions of characters, alternate timelines, etc. RDR1 and RDR2 have none of that. They're just games telling a linear story where Rockstar hasn't defined every single aspect of it, giving the player some choice.

If Rockstar wanted to somehow make every detail of every playthrough of every player "canon," then they'd have to introduce some sort of multiverse concept, but Rockstar has made no attempt to do that, and it would be pretty weird if they did. Not only that, but the way that the stories in RDR1 and RDR2 go make it so that the player's choices in one game have no effect on the other game even if they'd done them in chronological order. So, Rockstar doesn't need to officially declare anything about canon based on any of the choices that players can make in the games.

[von Tresckow]

Erynar님이 먼저 게시:

ercanteke님이 먼저 게시:

but every player does different choices which is real

None of it is real. It's a game, and players have the chance to play through it. As with any game, players have some amount of choice in what they do, but the story is defined by the cut scenes and the basic events that occur in missions.

The parallel universe and multiverse stuff come into fiction when the folks telling the story want to present alternate versions of a story, alternate versions of characters, alternate timelines, etc. RDR1 and RDR2 have none of that. They're just games telling a linear story where Rockstar hasn't defined every single aspect of it, giving the player some choice.

If Rockstar wanted to somehow make every detail of every playthrough of every player "canon," then they'd have to introduce some sort of multiverse concept, but Rockstar has made no attempt to do that, and it would be pretty weird if they did. Not only that, but the way that the stories in RDR1 and RDR2 go make it so that the player's choices in one game have no effect on the other game even if they'd done them in chronological order. So, Rockstar doesn't need to officially declare anything about canon based on any of the choices that players can make in the games.

they do have alternate things you can do stranger missions as john etc.

[Erynar]

ercanteke님이 먼저 게시:

they do have alternate things you can do stranger missions as john etc.

Yes, but none of that has anything to do with RDR1, because RDR1 references so few events from RDR2 that you have no way of knowing which choices were made. Rockstar has made no statements about what counts as canon. They could easily come out tomorrow and say that canonically, this specific set of optional missions were done and these weren't, and these were the choices made, etc. They won't, but they could. There are other games (especially visual novels) where they outright declare a specific set of choices to be what canonically happened even if you could have made a different set of choices while playing. However, like with many games, Rockstar just gave us a game to play without getting into the issue of canon at all.

Rockstar has never officially said that any particular set of in-game choices are canonically what happened, and they've never said anything about alternate universes or anything of the sort. Sure, Rockstar could come out tomorrow and declare that officially every player's choices create an alternate universe, but they could just as easily declare that a specific set of choices is canon, and anyone who didn't make those choices was just having fun doing something that wasn't what actually happened within the world of RDR. You can read whatever you want into the games, but none of it is official unless Rockstar actually says that it is.

[von Tresckow]

Erynar님이 먼저 게시:

ercanteke님이 먼저 게시:

they do have alternate things you can do stranger missions as john etc.

Yes, but none of that has anything to do with RDR1, because RDR1 references so few events from RDR2 that you have no way of knowing which choices were made. Rockstar has made no statements about what counts as canon. They could easily come out tomorrow and say that canonically, this specific set of optional missions were done and these weren't, and these were the choices made, etc. They won't, but they could. There are other games (especially visual novels) where they outright declare a specific set of choices to be what canonically happened even if you could have made a different set of choices while playing. However, like with many games, Rockstar just gave us a game to play without getting into the issue of canon at all.

Rockstar has never officially said that any particular set of in-game choices are canonically what happened, and they've never said anything about alternate universes or anything of the sort. Sure, Rockstar could come out tomorrow and declare that officially every player's choices creates an alternate universe, but they could just as easily declare that a specific set of choices is canon, and anyone who didn't make those choices was just having fun doing something that wasn't what actually happened within the world of RDR. You can read whatever you want into the games, but none of it is official unless Rockstar actually says that it is.

you can do stranger missions as jack

[von Tresckow]

Erynar님이 먼저 게시:

ercanteke님이 먼저 게시:

they do have alternate things you can do stranger missions as john etc.

Yes, but none of that has anything to do with RDR1, because RDR1 references so few events from RDR2 that you have no way of knowing which choices were made. Rockstar has made no statements about what counts as canon. They could easily come out tomorrow and say that canonically, this specific set of optional missions were done and these weren't, and these were the choices made, etc. They won't, but they could. There are other games (especially visual novels) where they outright declare a specific set of choices to be what canonically happened even if you could have made a different set of choices while playing. However, like with many games, Rockstar just gave us a game to play without getting into the issue of canon at all.

Rockstar has never officially said that any particular set of in-game choices are canonically what happened, and they've never said anything about alternate universes or anything of the sort. Sure, Rockstar could come out tomorrow and declare that officially every player's choices creates an alternate universe, but they could just as easily declare that a specific set of choices is canon, and anyone who didn't make those choices was just having fun doing something that wasn't what actually happened within the world of RDR. You can read whatever you want into the games, but none of it is official unless Rockstar actually says that it is.

rdr1 is getting remastered

[the poopshitter]

so you're not taking "no" for an answer and will just argue tooth and nail that there are multiple universes, despite being proven wrong? neat. might as well rename the discussion to "there are multiple universes in rdr2 and rdr1. you cant change my mind."

no clue where you got the notion that rdr1 is getting remastered either, its not. if you get your info from rumors off of reddit then that's your own problem.

[Mansen]

Choices? What meaningful choices?