How rigged is poker in this game?!

[BMK]

I've played probably 500+ hands, and I'm supposed to play aggressively when I have something, but I hardly ever do get *any* good cards. Even more, the longer I play, the worse cards I get! And once I actually get a flush someone beats it! That has happend the last four times I've had one, and they were really good!

And as soon as I have some cards worth the paper they're printed on and I bet one cent extra, everybody folds! It's BS! I'm sure not in it for the money, I can steal 50 wagons in the time it costs to play a little, but for god I just wanna beat someone once at this stupid game without having to resort to trying to get it out of them cent by cent!

But seriously, is it seriously THAT bad luck or is this how it's programmed? Anybody else struggling with this?

[ブルーベリー]

there are no cards in that sense only certain combinations of cards so its totally rigged and just a meme

[ShabDez]

Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose. Never had the feeling that it was anything else than random luck for every player alike.
But I was a little upset, when I had to share an all-in pot twice with the same guy in a row with a full house of aces and queens in first game , and three sevens in second. If you wonder how it's possible to share with 3 sevenes, commutiy cards had a straight going from 6 to 10 which overruled my sevens.

[Man o' War]

If you're playing against "live" opponents then there's no reason to suspect things may be rigged.

If however one or two players have generic portraits rather than portraits resembling the players themselves then you're playing with hackers.

In SP there does seem to be a random algorithm that comes into play on occasion and it seems that the player can never win.

But that algorithm also plays out in real life poker so we'll never really know.

If you like your poker here's a free and fun poker game where you can play against others for free via Steam.

You can get to know your poker skills for nothing.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/797430/HD_Poker_Texas_Holdem/

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I would just do the mini-games for any achievements or challenges that come later in your gameplay. You're not going to make much money even if you wipe a full table worth of folks quickly.

[Man o' War]

Messaggio originale di Bad 💀 Motha:

I would just do the mini-games for any achievements or challenges that come later in your gameplay. You're not going to make much money even if you wipe a full table worth of folks quickly.

He's asking about rigged poker BM, not achievements and not about making lots of money.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

It's fairly random.
I try to down play a good hand and see if they'll put money in. When they do you can 9 times out of 10 force them to fold by going all in. But do it too early and you won't get their money.

[TybeeMutt]

There used to be a DOS poker game called "Vegas Johnny's Draw Poker". The betting patterns of the computer players were ranged as: Wild, Tight, Smart, and Pro.

The game seems to have CPU players in the same categories. If you have a table full of wild players who are loose you can win very easily. Tight players are impossible to do anything but slow play to win. Smart will play the odds based on the community cards. They will literally bet their hands based on odds of win. Then there is Pro.

This bastard will have you playing with them, last one seated with you for days and days.

[Poliut]

The only 1 played was the 1 the game forces you to play.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

When I'm down to one guy and I wiped out the rest of the table myself, I leave. Because when it's 1 on 1, it's going to be a constant back and forth of folding.

And if you want to try the game system and get a feel for it, before you sit down, top off with some food and a good tonic that gives you 3 Gold outer rings for your Health + Stamina + Dead-Eye. Then save the game manually afterwards. If you lose alot, you can just reload your save if you really care. After you win a bunch or wipe the table, get up from table and save the game. Just know that when you get up from table there is about a 10-15 second cool down before you can play again.

I probably have well over 100+ hours in RDR2 just playing Poker.

[BMK]

I did a little test, went for the $5 stake game and all I did was press enter and tab, I never folded, played every hand. I never won as often as when doing that, won 60% of the time. In 10 minutes only one player was left. That last guy was bluffing a lot so it went back and forth with him for 2 hours and I kept winning a lot of times small sums and losing a lot when he actually bet because he had good cards. It was pretty even most of the time, even though my playing style in actuality was totally nonsensical. So I decided to change two things, actually fold when I had bad cards from the start and bet a little when I had pair and above. When I didn't fold straight from the start I committed to the end. And everything changed!

That should have actually given me an easy win over the guy as he was playing, but all of a sudden he started winning most of the games even though I actually started to play more realistically. Tried that for another 2 hours staying strict with my pattern and he got $50 out of me, my wins from the first 2 hours never came back. If this isn't rigged against the player then I don't know what's up. And again, the flushes turned out mysterious. I won 1 of 4, two were splits, one was a loss. More than a little weird.

[BMK]

I'm gonna do a new test today.

- First I play like I did in the beginning, stupidly never folding and never betting, just to see if I have another win streak. If that works again for an hour or so straight I will change only one thing, and that is that I fold if I have weak cards straight from the start.

I just want to see what happens.

Notably an amount of players and also online guides have pointed to the fact that the game turns into a slog when there is only one player left. I will try to see if I can identify that player early to see if that player plays like that all the time or if he changes tactics when it's 1 on 1.

And about my skills, not in order to brag, because I'm really not good, but I know poker well enough to have won a local 20 man poker competition. There were maybe 3 people there who play regularly, the rest knew the rules, there about is my estimate. So it was a nice win and I can play, but I wouldn't consider me a poker master.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Just remember to save before starting a mini-game like poker and also top off your health completely before sitting down to play. If you play for more then 30-60 mins real-time it definitely would affect your health as it slowly goes down over time on its own. However if you use food such as Minty Big Game Meat and a Miracle Tonic this will give the inner and outer health stat a gold rating, which buffs that stat and prolongs it from going down.

[BMK]

Thanks! Though I actually gave up on my project after reading a lot of forum posts regarding poker in RDR2 which all said the same thing. Opponents win miraculusly once you have good cards and the only way to win is to bet high when they are bluffing in order to make them fold, making you win a tiny amount.. Pretty much the story of the whole poker game I've experienced for many many hours. Also, that extremely rare card combinations happen relatively often for the computer.

I can totally understand that it is EXTREMELY difficult to program a real poker game in single player, as it is very very difficult to predict how real life players bluff or how their tolerances to bluffing are, but I think they should have left the card ratios alone in RDR2 and just tried to focus on bluffing tolerances of opponents. Yet they chose to give the AI card boosts, as other players described it and I experienced and I have experienced more than enough - they often win by sheer "luck" no matter what cards you have. So poker is pretty much broken in RDR2, and compared to RDR1 you can't even cheat yourself.

Meh. I never played for the money, I always played for the thrill of winning, but I got frustrated, and the next best thing was to antagonize a player so they ran away from me, ran after him until out of town, hogtied him, looted him and then lovingly threw him off a high cliff. That's the best advice I can give anyone really. Don't even bother unless you want to get f*. If you like that sort of thing.

It would have been way more fair to leave a poker AI bad but fair than to make the AI cheat according to your betting and your cards, but either you have to accept that now or you don't play. Sad really because it would add a lot if the game was at least fair according to reality, even though the AI would have been beaten to hell. It's not even a question of money, as in endgame you're swimming in it anyway, but I would have just appreciated a fair game. Nuff said.

Happy new year everybody!

[Professional Gamer]

It's a pity. I tried to do a play-through where I role-played Arthur as a gambler, and won all the money we needed to get to Tahiti from poker. But I quit because the max bet is capped so low, and the various instances of unlikely bull crap I encountered. I wasn't sure that it was rigged, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least.

Would it have killed them to throw together some short novelty endings that circumvented the "real" story? Pff. With the amount of "Easter Eggs" and far-fetched side quest crap nobody will ever see, I consider it a mis-allocation of effort.

I'd also like the option of taking the Pinkerton's deal, so I can get back to my fishing, and take leadership of the gang for myself. I guess it's not an RPG as such, but it would have been a good one.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

It's not always a "force them to fold" scenario.
I've had plenty of times where they did actually have a good hand, sometimes we both have a straight flush, but mine was better.