Red Dead Redemption 2

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I cannot figure out the Crime system
I like pretty much everything about this game.

HOWEVER... being a game where you play an outlaw cowboy, you'd think the crime system would make sense, since you'll be committing a lot of it. But it doesn't seem to have any real logic, and here's what I mean:

I'm riding into town and someone crashes into me (and I'll note, they crashed into me, not vice versa.) I get up, he gets up, and then immediately draws and fires on me. So naturally I turn and drop him, self defense and all. And suddenly I'm wanted by the law for murder! This has happened a few times, someone picks a fight with me and I fight back and win and then I'm a wanted man.
I'm also irked by the fact that lawmen can magically see through my mask, so committing a crime like robbery is essentially pointless as Arthur Morgan specifically catches a bounty for it, mask or otherwise, and the bounty is usually more than the take.

I'm just sort of confounded as to how to make this game run a little more realistically when it comes to being an outlaw. You can't even really live 'on the edge' as keeping a bounty live makes it nearly impossible to operate normally in a state, so my hardass, devil may care, outlaw is constantly paying off The Man like some taxpaying sissy.
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in Dec 4, 2022 @ 10:25am 
What do you mean impossible to operate? If you get bounty hunters chasing you, just kill them/outrun.
Last edited by in; Dec 4, 2022 @ 10:25am
Captain Skinny Dec 4, 2022 @ 11:11am 
Originally posted by in:
What do you mean impossible to operate? If you get bounty hunters chasing you, just kill them/outrun.
Yeah, which is fun and not too hard but certainly immersion ruining when I'm trying to hunt or just ride into town for supplies.
Dirt Merchant Dec 4, 2022 @ 11:41am 
Originally posted by Captain Skinny:
I like pretty much everything about this game.

HOWEVER... being a game where you play an outlaw cowboy, you'd think the crime system would make sense, since you'll be committing a lot of it. But it doesn't seem to have any real logic, and here's what I mean:

I'm riding into town and someone crashes into me (and I'll note, they crashed into me, not vice versa.) I get up, he gets up, and then immediately draws and fires on me. So naturally I turn and drop him, self defense and all. And suddenly I'm wanted by the law for murder! This has happened a few times, someone picks a fight with me and I fight back and win and then I'm a wanted man.
I'm also irked by the fact that lawmen can magically see through my mask, so committing a crime like robbery is essentially pointless as Arthur Morgan specifically catches a bounty for it, mask or otherwise, and the bounty is usually more than the take.

I'm just sort of confounded as to how to make this game run a little more realistically when it comes to being an outlaw. You can't even really live 'on the edge' as keeping a bounty live makes it nearly impossible to operate normally in a state, so my hardass, devil may care, outlaw is constantly paying off The Man like some taxpaying sissy.

Here's the perspective I took to help me "get into the mindset" of the Crime System: Arthur starts the game off as a wanted outlaw across several states, and is a known member of the notorious Van Der Linde gang. And let's face it: As you play through the story line, Arthur is going to commit even more crimes. Therefor, people will always assume you're up to no good no matter how high your honor is (I am trying to play a high-honor Arthur). Also, nobody will ever give you the benefit of the doubt for anything. Somebody once tried to rob me, I "surrendered", then killed them, and an innocent stranger rode up on the aftermath and promptly tried to report ME for murder. Such is the life Arthur has chosen to live before the game even started for YOU, the player.

The game not a mind-reader, and nor is any of the AI in the game either. They do not know your true intentions, honorable or not. They do not know the circumstances of what truly happened if they think they see a crime. Strangers will make snap-judgments when they see something: If you're standing over the corpse of somebody who was drunk and tried to knife you, and then a Stranger rounds the corner and sees that, they won't magically know that you were acting in self defense. All they see is Arthur Morgan, notorious gangster of the Van Der Linde gang, standing over the body of somebody else they don't know.

Once you take that perspective, you get a better understanding of what people are going to panic about. Also bear in mind your "honor" and the "Crime system" are two entirely different things that don't always agree with each other.
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Heraclius Caesar Dec 4, 2022 @ 11:41am 
Originally posted by Captain Skinny:
I like pretty much everything about this game.

HOWEVER... being a game where you play an outlaw cowboy, you'd think the crime system would make sense, since you'll be committing a lot of it. But it doesn't seem to have any real logic, and here's what I mean:

I'm riding into town and someone crashes into me (and I'll note, they crashed into me, not vice versa.) I get up, he gets up, and then immediately draws and fires on me. So naturally I turn and drop him, self defense and all. And suddenly I'm wanted by the law for murder! This has happened a few times, someone picks a fight with me and I fight back and win and then I'm a wanted man.
I'm also irked by the fact that lawmen can magically see through my mask, so committing a crime like robbery is essentially pointless as Arthur Morgan specifically catches a bounty for it, mask or otherwise, and the bounty is usually more than the take.

I'm just sort of confounded as to how to make this game run a little more realistically when it comes to being an outlaw. You can't even really live 'on the edge' as keeping a bounty live makes it nearly impossible to operate normally in a state, so my hardass, devil may care, outlaw is constantly paying off The Man like some taxpaying sissy.

I think you're missing the point.

You want to play as an outlaw gunslinger living on the edge. The game is making that happen for you by making you a wanted man with bounties on your head and bounty hunters and lawmen on your tail when you're seen committing crimes. That's pretty accurate from a historical point of view, all the famous outlaw gunslingers from the Old West lived in constant danger of being captured or killed by bounty hunters and lawmen.

What I find more annoying is how rival gangs can ambush you at random points as if they seemingly had GPS and knew exactly which route you'd be taking at any given time.
What? Dec 4, 2022 @ 11:50am 
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Originally posted by Captain Skinny:
(and I'll note, they crashed into me, not vice versa.)
Legitimate criticism, and this is intentional. You will notice that if you're riding on a road, oncoming horsemen will turn INTO your path, not AWAY from it. I have a feeling that Rockstar wanted to get you into as many conflicts as possible as a misguided attempt to enhance gameplay OR to force you to slow down and tiptoe around people so they can claim their game has "9001 playable hours"

Originally posted by Captain Skinny:
immediately draws and fires on me. So naturally I turn and drop him, self defense and all. And suddenly I'm wanted by the law for murder!
The game was made by big city liberals, they think self defense is immoral and you're supposed to just bend over for criminals. Just relax and accept the rape. I usually just run away to a place where there's no cops (alley etc) and punch the assailant unconcious. Then I either use the lasso to hogtie the assailant and leave him on train tracks, or I just throw a firebomb at him and run away from the cops (masked of course).

Originally posted by Captain Skinny:
lawmen can magically see through my mask
There is a Mod that fixes that, try searching for mods in the discussion section. Usually the advice is don't use mods until 2nd playthrough, but I'd advise use them ASAP or you will lose interest in the game.

With the mod, even if you are a known outlaw, only a few people will spot you for who you are. And masks work.
blairweescot Dec 4, 2022 @ 12:17pm 
you can actually commit crimes and not be ID'd

Make a save and try some things out. It's not foolproof but I've mugged people in town and then just run off and gotten away with it- no bounty but I had to avoid town for a bit. Try to make sure nobody sees you...or would that be immersion breaking lol
JuiceWSA Dec 4, 2022 @ 12:38pm 
Originally posted by Captain Skinny:
Originally posted by in:
What do you mean impossible to operate? If you get bounty hunters chasing you, just kill them/outrun.
Yeah, which is fun and not too hard but certainly immersion ruining when I'm trying to hunt or just ride into town for supplies.
Supplies?

What high quality food items do you have to trample to death. On the way to town to pick up,a,can of peas?

You do know your PO box can hold 999 of everything (long press "buy" key to buy max) and if you grow your own dead eye juice your Cattleman can kill every bad guy on the map..(or innocent civillian)
... 7000 times....

Some folks really struggle with a game so easy to play you can basically phone it in....
Last edited by JuiceWSA; Dec 4, 2022 @ 2:19pm
RageMojo Dec 4, 2022 @ 1:07pm 
This video explains the system so you will fully understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FGO_DNwZX4
treintrien Dec 4, 2022 @ 2:25pm 
Originally posted by JuiceWSA:
Originally posted by Captain Skinny:
Yeah, which is fun and not too hard but certainly immersion ruining when I'm trying to hunt or just ride into town for supplies.
Supplies?

What high quality food items do you have to trample to death. On the way to town to pick up,a,can of peas?

You do know your PO box can hold 999 of everything (long press "buy" key to buy max) and if you grow your own dead eye juice your Cattleman can kill every bad guy on the map..(or innocent civillian)
... 7000 times....

Some folks really struggle with a game so easy to play you can basically phone it in....


I think this is about the main game and not online and to my knowledge there is no post box in main game?
JuiceWSA Dec 4, 2022 @ 3:04pm 
Upgrade satchel

Witness miracle.

Post office is where you pay bounties. Buy train tickets. Pick up catalog purchases for stuff you dont have room for insatchel. Weapon locker. Wardrobe or horse.
Last edited by JuiceWSA; Dec 4, 2022 @ 3:12pm
Captain Skinny Dec 5, 2022 @ 6:35pm 
Well, I appreciate the advice and guidance. I've been trying vanilla for my first run, but noticed a few things I was sure modder's would've taken a crack at.

Its not as if I'm not the wild west equivalent of a multimillionaire and can pay off my bounties with little thousands to spare.
onanonehand8 Dec 6, 2022 @ 1:36am 
Originally posted by What?:
Originally posted by Captain Skinny:
(and I'll note, they crashed into me, not vice versa.)
...You will notice that if you're riding on a road, oncoming horsemen will turn INTO your path, not AWAY from it. I have a feeling that Rockstar wanted to get you into as many conflicts as possible ...

You're thinking like a 20th/21st century American automobile driver. Before present day driving, other than walking the common form of transport was by horseback. It was the norm to pass to the left. That tradition started to change when horse drawn wagons became more common place but road etiquette for two oncoming horses, passing on the left, was still the standard.

According to BBC America, this reflects knights on horses and the knight's weapon hand in relation to an opposing challenger.
Hammer Of Evil Dec 6, 2022 @ 2:12am 
you put on your covid mask, commit crimes, then when the sherriff is coming (if you dont kill all witnesses) just ride away before they get there, if you had your mask on, the witnesses can't ID you to the sherriff, so the 'wanted' sign goes away, and you're in the clear.

if you have a bounty, you can wear your covid mask, and normal people won't see you as a wanted criminal and start shooting you. people don't like it when you wear a covid mask though, so it might cause you some fights.

sherrif / lawmen will automatically see through your covid mask. if they see you do something, they intstantly know its you. if you have a bounty and your covid mask is on, they'll instantly go for the arrest.

its just BS how quickly the 'witness' can ride all the way across the country to the nearest sherriff so fast, and how all the sherriffs are telepathic in the 1800's. it would take weeks for word to reach every sherriffs office about your crimes lmao.

train robbery is dealt with differently as well as stores. you should research both mechanics so you know what to expect.

because rockstar thinks you should only play the 'open world' game a certain way every time.
The Tempted Man Dec 6, 2022 @ 3:20am 
Law system is pretty bad but honour system is where they truly smoked a lot and drifted away from logic...
What? Dec 6, 2022 @ 3:06pm 
Originally posted by onanonehand8:
It was the norm to pass to the left.
Bruh what part of "turn into you" is confusing, it doesn't matter what direction you're in, left or right, the oncoming horse turns toward you.
And I know its a bug because when I'm coming up on someone from BEHIND, they turn the correct way, away from my path.
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Date Posted: Dec 4, 2022 @ 10:12am
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