the poker kind of feels rigged

[Isabelle]

i am 100% NOT a poker expert by absolutely any means. I am by no metric a legendary texas hold 'em aficionado. though, I do play a lot of card games in general and it really does seem like the AI draws higher value cards more often than the player. I read a few different posts about this and i really just want to know definitively; is there a true 1/52 chance for everyone in the game to draw any particular card? if it isnt 100% down to random card distribution i really don't want to even waste my time. I just find the idea of gambling with stacked odds unfun

[Isabelle]

Originally posted by harken23:

I doubt the poker is rigged against you.

Gambling is always rigged against the player. If you're playing with 3 ppl, your chances of winning any given hand are 1 in 4. The idea is to increase your odds to better than that by playing the hand with knowledge and skill. If you have neither of those, but the other players do, you're going to lose MORE than 1 in 4. Just curious if you've ever played real poker with other real ppl (not a knock or anything, but it's not easy in person, either).

yes i have played it in person (recently) and while im not an expert on the rules ive certainly done a fair bit of digging

im not basing this off my winning odds and I don't expect to win anyway. I simply feel as though the card distribution feels odd. As in, for any given card, the chance is not an even 1/52 to draw it.

[harken23]

1 in 52 is extremely small odds. If you're hoping for one certain card at any given time (esp if you're drawing to an inside straight), you're better off folding.

It also helps to learn other people's habits. In camp, Susan never bluffs, Uncle bluffs a lot, and Pearson does, too, with big bets late in the hand.

[Wayz]

Heh, its a common thought for anyone that's lost at poker lol.

[Isabelle]

Originally posted by harken23:

1 in 52 is extremely small odds. If you're hoping for one certain card at any given time (esp if you're drawing to an inside straight), you're better off folding.

It also helps to learn other people's habits. In camp, Susan never bluffs, Uncle bluffs a lot, and Pearson does, too, with big bets late in the hand.

i am not looking for one specific card and i never was. are people misunderstanding me as a joke or something?

Originally posted by Wayz:

Heh, its a common thought for anyone that's lost at poker lol.

I have said multiple times that it is not the losing that's the issue... i am losing my mind

[harken23]

Originally posted by Isabelle:

im not basing this off my winning odds and I don't expect to win anyway. I simply feel as though the card distribution feels odd. As in, for any given card, the chance is not an even 1/52 to draw it.

You said that cards don't seem to be coming up with 1/52 probability. Sounds like maybe 1/52 is a smaller probability than you realize.

[Isabelle]

Originally posted by harken23:

Originally posted by Isabelle:

im not basing this off my winning odds and I don't expect to win anyway. I simply feel as though the card distribution feels odd. As in, for any given card, the chance is not an even 1/52 to draw it.

You said that cards don't seem to be coming up with 1/52 probability. Sounds like maybe 1/52 is a smaller probability than you realize.

In general the card probabilities feel weird. I don't know how else to put it really. But I didn't say, "cards are not coming up with 1/52 probability". I don't have a specific percentage or anything but I only feel as though the hands of other players / myself are... odd, to say the least.

edit: to clarify i mean i dont know specifically how it feels off rather that it does, in general.

[harken23]

I've never thought that anything with the poker seems unfair. The in camp table is the easiest to win at, so you may want to hone your skills there before going to the more cutthroat places.

One thing I think I figured out is that other players play as tho all the cards are in their hand, so if there's a pair on the table, they bet as if nobody else knows about it. If that makes sense. Ie, they'll bet higher holding 2 pair, even if one of the pairs is on the table, and ergo, in everybody's hand.

[harken23]

It's also unclear what you mean by "odd". Unless there are, like, 2 5 of Clubs's showing up, what's "odd"?

[Isabelle]

Originally posted by harken23:

It's also unclear what you mean by "odd". Unless there are, like, 2 5 of Clubs's showing up, what's "odd"?

"Odd" is odd. I don't know exactly how but compared to other games with a poker mechanic / real life card games it just has a strange feeling to it.

[DargonBlak]

Originally posted by Isabelle:

I read a few different posts about this and i really just want to know definitively; is there a true 1/52 chance for everyone in the game to draw any particular card? if it isnt 100% down to random card distribution i really don't want to even waste my time. I just find the idea of gambling with stacked odds unfun

I know i'm jumping in like 2 days late, but whatever...

1. There is absolutely no way to know the answer to ur question without...
a. looking through the game code and finding the complete set of gameplay code and any related equations (all currently stored as a binary for our gaming pleasure), or,
b. hearing the facts directly from the developer.

Since neither is likely to happen on a "Steam" forum, then you are not likely to receive a satisfactory answer here, but lots of anecdotal feedback.

With that said, here's what i have noticed... (anecdotal feedback, commencing)

The first hand of poker at Flatneck Station, immediately after finding the Reverand, will always be the same.

After that hand, every hand does appear to be random - meaning that every hand appears to meet my expectations for random card distribution. There does not appear to be any bias in the game regarding which cards are offered to which players.

However, what has completely surprised me in the game is that each NPC player at the table can have different betting criteria - meaning that some NPCs will bet rather daringly and other NPCs will bet conservatively - and oddly enough, some NPCs are always one way or the other, or they are more randomly daring or conservative.

So, the weirdest thing i had to adjust to in each game is to first find out which player is betting daringly and which player is betting conservatively (if any) - the daring NPC can usually be beaten with a modest hand, but the conservative NPC will often have a great hand.

Thus, you need to study the other players and learn their strategy.

But i don't think the game is biased against the player in any way that i can notice.

[Icedfate]

playing against humans is very different from a.i.
a person might be really good at reading a human, but a.i. often react in weird ways. . .however, a.i.i do tend to be more predictable, if one understands how the a.i. algorithm is set.
sometimes devs will program "tells" in a.i. opponents. if you can identify these "tells", maybe it will make it easier.

I myself was always baffled as how people can play poker online with their faces obscured by an avatar, and how some people seemed to still always know when i was bluffing. . .

[Isabelle]

Originally posted by DargonBlak:

Originally posted by Isabelle:

I read a few different posts about this and i really just want to know definitively; is there a true 1/52 chance for everyone in the game to draw any particular card? if it isnt 100% down to random card distribution i really don't want to even waste my time. I just find the idea of gambling with stacked odds unfun

I know i'm jumping in like 2 days late, but whatever...

1. There is absolutely no way to know the answer to ur question without...
a. looking through the game code and finding the complete set of gameplay code and any related equations (all currently stored as a binary for our gaming pleasure), or,
b. hearing the facts directly from the developer.

Since neither is likely to happen on a "Steam" forum, then you are not likely to receive a satisfactory answer here, but lots of anecdotal feedback.

With that said, here's what i have noticed... (anecdotal feedback, commencing)

The first hand of poker at Flatneck Station, immediately after finding the Reverand, will always be the same.

After that hand, every hand does appear to be random - meaning that every hand appears to meet my expectations for random card distribution. There does not appear to be any bias in the game regarding which cards are offered to which players.

However, what has completely surprised me in the game is that each NPC player at the table can have different betting criteria - meaning that some NPCs will bet rather daringly and other NPCs will bet conservatively - and oddly enough, some NPCs are always one way or the other, or they are more randomly daring or conservative.

So, the weirdest thing i had to adjust to in each game is to first find out which player is betting daringly and which player is betting conservatively (if any) - the daring NPC can usually be beaten with a modest hand, but the conservative NPC will often have a great hand.

Thus, you need to study the other players and learn their strategy.

But i don't think the game is biased against the player in any way that i can notice.

if it truly is a normal distribution (every player at the table has the same odds) then the weirdness probably comes with preprogrammed NPC betting habits. I'm totally down to identify everyone's tell, that sounds entertaining- my only contention was with the system, as I thought it was skewed unfairly (mostly for game balance) but if that isnt the case then i dont have any complaints

[Wayz]

Originally posted by Isabelle:

Originally posted by Wayz:

Heh, its a common thought for anyone that's lost at poker lol.

I have said multiple times that it is not the losing that's the issue... i am losing my mind

Eh , i was just making a joke about poker in general not your losing streak.
Like fights have literally broken out and people have died over a game of cards during this era lol.

"YOU CHEAT!, die you son a ♥♥♥♥♥!"

[Isabelle]

Originally posted by Wayz:

Originally posted by Isabelle:

I have said multiple times that it is not the losing that's the issue... i am losing my mind

Eh , is was just making a jokje about poker in general not your losing streak.
Like fights have literally broken out and people have died over a game of cards during this era lol.

"YOU CHEAT!, die you son a ♥♥♥♥♥!"

well, i mean, im not saying i DONT calmly get up from the poker table and unload a shotgun into whoever won all my money.

[Chaos]

Maybe poker’s just isn't your game, I know let’s have a spelling contest.