rtx 3060 runs the game like doodoo

[cowboy]

hi. i upgraded my 1060 to 3060 in september and right off the bat my rdr was crashing and giving me black screens. its flashed both white and black before, always close to crashing. at one point my game turned moslty red, that one was weird. yesterday my whole screen started flickering like a tube tv before giving me a crash message, going black and shutting off.

ive gotten a rockstar error message about something like out of virtual memory etc.

i have videos of the flashing and the red but not the flickering, as it was unexpected.

so anyway, is anyone else having issues? i know crashing isnt rare but the other stuff. ive done everything possible to the drivers, i always use cleanup tool and ive used so many different ones from the oldest to the newest im not keeping count anymore.

i figured the 3060 should be a beefy enough card for this, but i guess not? i dont know if my card is broken. no issues with other games, cs 300 fps, valo 300 fps, apex 140 (i capped it). (these are estimates, i might remeber a bit wrong, but cs and valo are 260 at the lowest.)

honestly this is really stressing me out and i cant figure out whats wrong. i contacted nvidia and it was no help, the ticket closed because i didnt want to risk breaking anything by doing a diy bios update because ive never done it before and it looks scary.

i adjusted my settings into the mud basically and now i get between 39-58 fps. to be fair if i lower even more and use performance dlss i get 70 but i might as well play spyro on the playstation 2.

i was thinking my cpu could be bottlenecking but i double and triple checked that it should be okay before i got the gpu. if i upgrade cpu i also have to upgrade the mb and cooler because the screws on my mb are ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

here are my specs

z270 h mb
i5 8600k cpu
rtx 3060 gpu
16gb basic corsair ram

i have 2 hdds and one ssd, the ssd is small so i dont install anything on it- meaning all my games are on hdds.

to summarize: is something broken? is the game not well adjusted on pc or with these parts?

please do not tell me to buy the newest and shiniest, i do not have a lot of money. i invest into my hobbies because they make me happy but i also need food.

thank you -cowboy <3


edit: my mb is the z370-h, not z270-h. my approximation of the fps for cs etc was close, i googled and it said something like 285 is to be expected. i dont have it installed so i cant check.

the bios update is two .cap files and a bios renamer, figures ill need a usb stick.

[JuiceWSA]

Disable Integrated Graphics

[Old School Internet Warlord]

260 the lowest-300fps? What monitor do you use?

[firestorm]

Originally posted by Old School Internet Warlord:

260 the lowest-300fps? What monitor do you use?

Monitors rather irrelevant to what a GPU can output, to an extent, that is...

If a GPU outputs a higher frame rate than a monitor can display,
the additional frames over and above what the monitor is capable of will just be discarded.

[cowboy]

not sure about the monitor, got it sceondhand as a part of the bargain. average hd 144hz benQ. i havent been bothered to cap the fps to 144. not sure how its relevant here but whatever you think might be useful : )

Originally posted by Old School Internet Warlord:

260 the lowest-300fps? What monitor do you use?

[Old School Internet Warlord]

Originally posted by firestorm:

Originally posted by Old School Internet Warlord:

260 the lowest-300fps? What monitor do you use?

Monitors rather irrelevant to what a GPU can output, to an extent, that is...

If a GPU outputs a higher frame rate than a monitor can display,
the additional frames over and above what the monitor is capable of will just be discarded.

True.
But why should the card do more work than necessary?
Op says he`s playing with something between 40 and 300 fps in different games. So I wonder how many fps should be desired.

[Old School Internet Warlord]

Originally posted by cowboy:

not sure about the monitor, got it sceondhand as a part of the bargain. average hd 144hz benQ. i havent been bothered to cap the fps to 144. not sure how its relevant here but whatever you think might be useful : )

Originally posted by Old School Internet Warlord:

260 the lowest-300fps? What monitor do you use?

In that case my idea isn`t realy useful.

[cowboy]

Originally posted by JuiceWSA:

Disable Integrated Graphics

i believe it shouldnt be in use to begin with, since i have a dedicated gpu installed, and there is no display cable connected to the motherboard.

i also set the processor to gpu in nvidia settings a while back, just to be sure.

i started googling about turning it off anyway, all the results were about laptops?

[JuiceWSA]

This game has a nasty habit of using the integrated graphics no matter what you have installed. Nuke it from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.

[cowboy]

Originally posted by Old School Internet Warlord:

Originally posted by cowboy:

not sure about the monitor, got it sceondhand as a part of the bargain. average hd 144hz benQ. i havent been bothered to cap the fps to 144. not sure how its relevant here but whatever you think might be useful : )

In that case my idea isn`t realy useful.

i found the model after some googling, here it is:

BenQ Zowie XL2720 27" 144hz LED Gaming Monitor

i forgot that i DID add an fps cap when changing a million different settings last night, so it is now at 70, sorry about that.

to add to the post- i also tried different refresh rates, didnt expect it to work and it didnt, haha.

[Old School Internet Warlord]

Originally posted by cowboy:

Originally posted by Old School Internet Warlord:

In that case my idea isn`t realy useful.

i found the model after some googling, here it is:

BenQ Zowie XL2720 27" 144hz LED Gaming Monitor

i forgot that i DID add an fps cap when changing a million different settings last night, so it is now at 70, sorry about that.

to add to the post- i also tried different refresh rates, didnt expect it to work and it didnt, haha.

So 1080p. The 3060 should do better than 58fps, I guess.

[Soulreaver]

So first of all your Hardware in general is adequate and more than fitting to play rdr2 at full hd. That of course only applys if everything runs properly. Don't bother with your integrated. You wouldn't hit your fps numbers if it would somehow handle anything game related.

My best guess would be to look deeper at your best guess. That'd be the GPU as your problems as you stated started with your new 3060.

1.
Reinstall Red Dead 2. Sometimes a simple solution that can fix it.

2.
DDU (display driver uninstaller) your GPU driver and reinstall to the newest nvidia driver. So we have the first potential issue to check off the list.

3.
Some engines are realy good at milking GPU performance. That's why in some games you might get higher temps than in others although the fps and utilisation is equal.

That's what I would check for by looking at the temps. while playing Red Dead AND other GPU intensive games.
Therefore I suggest a program called GPU-Z as you want 3 temperature readings.

GPU-Z lets you via the sensor tab read the chip (GPU) temp, the hotspot temp and your vram(Memory) temp.
GPU shouldn't go above ~80
Hotspot and Memory should not be above 95-100°C
Sidenote: those are close to the max temps for the GPU.

If the temps are higher you want to open your PC case/sidepanel and see if this helps to lower your temps and fixes the problem. If it helps with temps and issues. There you got your problem.
If it doesn't help you want to clean your GPU.

4.
If this doesn't help we would probably want to go a bit more technical. Here will GPU-Z still be helpfull. But I'd personaly wait for your feedback first.
Maybe you don't feel comfortable with any of the previous steps.

Edit: What's your PSU(Power supply unit) and how old is it?

[cowboy]

Originally posted by AiR-Soulreaver:

So first of all your Hardware in general is adequate and more than fitting to play rdr2 at full hd. That of course only applys if everything runs properly. Don't bother with your integrated. You wouldn't hit your fps numbers if it would somehow handle anything game related.

My best guess would be to look deeper at your best guess. That'd be the GPU as your problems as you stated started with your new 3060.

1.
Reinstall Red Dead 2. Sometimes a simple solution that can fix it.

2.
DDU (display driver uninstaller) your GPU driver and reinstall to the newest nvidia driver. So we have the first potential issue to check off the list.

3.
Some engines are realy good at milking GPU performance. That's why in some games you might get higher temps than in others although the fps and utilisation is equal.

That's what I would check for by looking at the temps. while playing Red Dead AND other GPU intensive games.
Therefore I suggest a program called GPU-Z as you want 3 temperature readings.

GPU-Z lets you via the sensor tab read the chip (GPU) temp, the hotspot temp and your vram(Memory) temp.
GPU shouldn't go above ~80
Hotspot and Memory should not be above 95-100°C
Sidenote: those are close to the max temps for the GPU.

If the temps are higher you want to open your PC case/sidepanel and see if this helps to lower your temps and fixes the problem. If it helps with temps and issues. There you got your problem.
If it doesn't help you want to clean your GPU.

4.
If this doesn't help we would probably want to go a bit more technical. Here will GPU-Z still be helpfull. But I'd personaly wait for your feedback first.
Maybe you don't feel comfortable with any of the previous steps.

Edit: What's your PSU(Power supply unit) and how old is it?

hi. i did a clean install of the drivers on the 6th, i might just do it again though, since ive tried different drivers since then. i also heard rdr2 does something called a "memory dump" or something along those lines, causing it to crash, and also that its not well optimized on pc, which i would assume is accurate.

i agree that my hardware should do fine, which is why im so concerned.
i tried the game again after doing most of what was recommended, at first it wasnt THAT bad, but still under 60. essentialy, i turned the settings down again and i got significant drops near water, bushes etc. this leads me to believe nothing has been (at least not very) effective so far. HOWEVER there was no flashing, flickering or red, which is definetly an improvement.

im fairly certain my second copy of the game (first one from epic, second from steam) was installed after i had bought the new card.

i will try reinstalling the game if it comes to that, however my internet sometimes causes downloads to last ages, (ive made sure the issues arent cause by my internet) which is why im not looking forward to it.

my power supply is a seasonic 750W FOCUS GX-750 atx 80 plus gold modular, which i bought at the same time as the gpu.

i have a hardware monitoring (msi afterburner and geforce overlay for fps) file from one of the times i was adjusting my settings and such, and to be honest, i dont know what a good chunk of it means but here is some info i thought may be relevant;

- power percent had strange jumping between 20/40-95-104

- memory and core clock were both very stable at around 1800 (core) and 7500 (memory)

- my game started performing rather underwhelming when memory usage reached 4500

- just about everything dropped down to around 10 at one point ( even fans..??)

- when gpu usage was above 70, performance lowered. witch average settings, usgae would hover around the 97-100 mark, this is also what usage looks like before my game crashes.

- i had a temperature limit (wich i was still figuring out where to set) between 70 and 78, temperature stayed under 70. when gpu usage was at 70, temperature stayed about 60 celcius.

- im not entirely sure what the data lower down the list was about (cpu/cpu5, cpu2 clock etc.) but they were going up and down a lot.



i always found it strange how low i have to keep the graphics memory usage.. at around 4 gbs when i have 12?

i hope this response wasnt too messy or difficult to read, i will happily clarify anything that i said if it was gibberish!

[Soulreaver]

While writing this I realise this gets way too long and complicated.
So I deleted it all and we first need to get our data straight. I also try to stay within afterburner and overlay so it's easier for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkmhMYOhBVw

He has a equal system and averages around 66fps in the benchmark. His GPU is slightly overclocked but that doesn't matter at this point.
So you should be around 63fps average.
Would be good if you also go for 1080p Ultra and we can have a look how much of a difference there is we need to fix.

For that please remove any limitations you set on your GPU (make it stock again).
The Benchmark also helps to set a repeatable baseline.
Therefore use the Geforce Overlay to read out the GPU temperature and tell me how hot it got.
If you have the capability to record your benchmark run with the overlay activated this would be best so I can read all the values myself.

If there are no graphical glitches at the moment stay at that driver for the moment.
A new driver was that fixed it?

Regarding memory dump. I just googled it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PCRedDead/comments/kjbrub/something_to_do_that_may_help_the_memory_leak/
This seems to be a possible fix. Although his issue seems different from yours.

If you could upload images of those afterburner and overlay values that'd be awesome.
https://imgur.com/upload
This is generaly the easiest way.

The values itself are sadly not that usefull as I don't know when what value appeared.
Were the 20% based on a loading screen or did you ride across the countryside etc. thats where the ingame benchmark will also be helpfull.

Yeah those VRam problems are strange. Although I read of similar problems.
Here GPU-Z would be helpfull too.

If you go into your task-manager and go into the performance tab and select your GPU.
It shows at dedicated memory usage 12GB?

I should also mention my focus is more on fixing the general issue not the game itself :D
I'm pretty sure something is wrong either with your Setup, GPU or driver and Red Dead is just the first game that made you realise it. I'm pretty sure a tech savy person would also see irregularitys in other games. Maybe I'm wrong but by what you wrote I'm rather confident.

[SpaceDink]

Originally posted by firestorm:

Originally posted by Old School Internet Warlord:

260 the lowest-300fps? What monitor do you use?

Monitors rather irrelevant to what a GPU can output, to an extent, that is...

If a GPU outputs a higher frame rate than a monitor can display,
the additional frames over and above what the monitor is capable of will just be discarded.

Originally posted by Old School Internet Warlord:

Originally posted by firestorm:

Monitors rather irrelevant to what a GPU can output, to an extent, that is...

If a GPU outputs a higher frame rate than a monitor can display,
the additional frames over and above what the monitor is capable of will just be discarded.

True.
But why should the card do more work than necessary?
Op says he`s playing with something between 40 and 300 fps in different games. So I wonder how many fps should be desired.

I agree with OSIW in that a graphics card shouldn't work more than necessary. Your monitor will not make use of a frame rate over 144. Your card will produce as many fps as it can even if the monitor doesn't use them. This will use more electricity and generate more heat. I suggest limiting your fps to the refresh rate of your monitor.

[Bl4ckM4n22]

I wish i bothered reading this all but 45fps is probably decent. I played the first half of the game at 15-20fps on my laptop before deciding the story sucked and the graphics were only good at render distances i couldn’t achieve. Thats why im here anyway looking for GPUs!!!! I wonder is a 12gb 3060 better than a 4060. No RTX, id love to use msaax2 but i doubt itll run. Shadow and tree render distance at 30metres is a must