It wasnt Micah. Abigail was the RAT of RDR 2.

[MainProtagonist]

Abigail was ambitious woman who wanted to leave a peaceful life with John and Jack. She never wanted to be part of gang bs and wanted to do to Tahiti or etc. You can see her desire to be real family mother and leave all these gang member out in many random gang conversations.

She was an outlaw but he wanted her son to be lawyer. To do that she needs to leave all the criminals and make the room for her kids to grow in a safe environment. If you know about Abigail origins then you will know she was thief and pros brought by uncle in the gang and literally abused by everyone. She hated all of them and She didn't made a single donation to the gang from chapter 1-6. You can check the gang contributes and will never see Abigail donate 1 cent to the ledger book. Instead contributing for the gang's funding she instead decided to steal others money in Chapter 6..

She later become abuser herself and always rant on John by calling him useless, idiot etc and that made John escape the gang for 1 year. It been told in the beginning of 2nd chapter in the bear hunting Mission.

-Abigail can be spotted Arguing with John about some unknown argument frequenly in the camp. Maybe she was trying to convince John to escape and Since John was loyal man, She could never made him convinced him. The only option was left to rat out the gang as an exchange of Her family immunity.


- Abigail Knew Arthur was the pillar who was holding the gang together. So she made Arthur to go fishing with Jack where Pinkerton agent tried to Offer him immunity as an exchange for Dutch Van der linde. Which He refused. My point is Abigail set the up the meeting with pinkerton agent by sending Arthur alone in the fishing spot so Pinkerton try to buy him off like he already did to abigail.

- In the 2nd train robbery there was no micah and he was locked up in strawberry jail, Still the heist was set up and Lawman show up way faster than it should. The heist was orchestrated by John Marston and It was first time he tried to be mastermind of something. Even Arthur was surprised. Until it turn out to be setup and only guys present here was Arthur, John, Sean and Charles.

- In the saint denis Bank Robbery, Abigail somehow escaped but Hoses didn't. Who told Pinkerton about the bank robbery? Not micah, cause he was present in the robbery. Why risk his own life in the shoot out where you have pre knowledge about the pinkerton interfaces? Cause he didn't. The same bank robbery John was captured alive and intended to be safe in the jail until Dutch dies and He will be out of the Prison to reunion with Abigail again. That's what Abigail wanted. Gang dies in shoot out but John captured alive ( why ? ). Cause Abigail never wanted any harm to John.

- How Abigail somehow got vanished from Camp and End up in Pinkertons Captivity? Abigail intentionally made Pinkerton agents arrest her as an agreement so She knew Arthur and Sadie will come for resque, and that's the perfect time to spout Micah's name so Arthur gonna easily buy it. Pinkterton agent did the same as planned and Arthur as expected believed it, Then Abigail killed off Pinkerton agent so truth dies with him. It was final plan that worked and destroyed the gang completely.

- Abigail also stole the key and wanted to steal all the gang money before pinkertons arrives and She can start solid with John with load of cash. What more evidence do you want?

She was the one playing games and end up as victories. RDR 2 was about how People are becoming more self centered and civilized and Gangs like Dutch are becoming a thing of past. The betrayal of Abigail to destroy the gang and set up his own life for peace is perfectly suit the theme of the game.

[T9]

All fine and good but R* made this game. So it's straightforward and as simple as possible

[n0mad23]

Before the prologue, it was Micah who set up the riverboat robbery, and undermined Hosea and Arthur's other plan. Around the time of Micah's Strawberry escape, Arthur says Micah has only been with the gang six months. A lot of the dialog suggests it shortly after this things start going sideways with the gang.

I've always suspected he was leading on the Pinkertons when he had to, but really turned when Milton said he did. I just cannot see any reason Milton would choose to lie at that moment. The gang was pretty much fully toast at that point.

John left Abigail and Jack for over a year on their own with the gang. I think a lot of her attitude is from this.

But really the only sympathetic member of the gang is Sadie. She's just a victim of circumstance, and does a pretty damned good job figuring out how to adapt.

[Duderino]

Originally posted by n0mad23:

But really the only sympathetic member of the gang is Sadie. She's just a victim of circumstance, and does a pretty damned good job figuring out how to adapt.

One of the things I like about online, it takes place before the story so Sadie & her husband are alive, and their house is still intact so you can do missions for them . . . same with Sean and a bunch of the other characters.

[HRRoach]

i don't know why you folks are debating about who the rat is. The pinkertons that were looking for dutch when Arthur takes jack fishing, later on told saddie, and the teenager that was captured, and Arthur that they got their info the whole time from micha on the mission you and saddie go save her being held at the trader store in van horn when you return from guarma.

[Floof]

wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2eKNyFpvss

[HerculeHolmes]

Originally posted by sussy_monke:

Originally posted by HerculeHolmes:

You guys are all wrong. Clearly Dutch was the rat all along.

No beacuse în the mission american vemlnom if you do something I don't really remember I think if you wait to long but aim at micah but anyways if you do something dutch is gonna shoot micah but the game still let's you finish him off and when arthur is on the floor trying to grab the revolv3r if he was the rat he will just shoot arthur or pass the revolver to micah or just throw the revolver of the cliff and leave micah finish off arthur

No, my reasoning is sound. Dutch was writing letters to the Pinkertons taunting them and hinting to his next moves like the Riddler taunting Batman.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

You can tell there was a rat even what time you spent at Horseshoe Overlook.

What Jack might have said to Bronte doesn't amount to much of anything.

[Shaken_Widow]

uh micah literally went back to blackwater and stole the gangs stash lmao

he could only have done that by making a deal with the feds.

molly and micah are the rats, abigail literally got kidnapped by milton, she didn't "escape" she was literally being held hostage by milton and you kill him to get her back with sadie.

as for dutch, im pretty sure his entire persona is that of a sociopath that is on a path to hell.

dutch wants to suicide by cop, but arthur and the rest of the gang are too good of gunslingers to let that happen, thus putting them through worse and worse situations whilst dutch ultimately kills himself once his entire gang dies or is caught.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Hmm Dutch doesn't die. John catches up with him later in the RDR1 game story

[MainProtagonist]

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

uh micah literally went back to blackwater and stole the gangs stash lmao

he could only have done that by making a deal with the feds.

molly and micah are the rats, abigail literally got kidnapped by milton, she didn't "escape" she was literally being held hostage by milton and you kill him to get her back with sadie.

as for dutch, im pretty sure his entire persona is that of a sociopath that is on a path to hell.

dutch wants to suicide by cop, but arthur and the rest of the gang are too good of gunslingers to let that happen, thus putting them through worse and worse situations whilst dutch ultimately kills himself once his entire gang dies or is caught.

Micah and Dutch both retrieved the Blackwater money. Why would a rat who could just take all the money himself decided to not kill Dutch and Make him his Partner till the end ?literally Micah was most loyal to Dutch and stand by him till his last breath when all gang members left...What kind of rat do that ?

What proof you have to determine Micah was a Rat ? The accusation means nothing from enemy. I would do everything to destabilised the gang you want to destroy. If I was agent Milton I would say Micah was rat to create a divide and trigger a civil war. Which it did. Cause Micah was easy to hate cause of his controversial personality, But actions speaks louder than words. Micah risked his life to all gang activies and stood by till the end ( more than anyone else )

Molly was never a rat and it was just a drunk rant who couldn't take Dutch's insanity any longer.

Yeah. Dutch was sociopath who hated anyone consider Equal or better than him..that explains why he killed Angelo bronte cause He was man Dutch wanted to become but never could become....That goes same to Arthur when he started to question his aggressive decisions which caused chaos and Dutch betrayed him by not helping him in Cornwall misson....Same thing Dutch did when he killed Micah ( probably because Micah at the epilogue become as much of Leader of the Gang like Dutch ) and Dutch didn't like someone overshadowed him. He always wanted to be leader and Micah paid the price trying to be The more than just a Gunman of Dutch.

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by Khalid:

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

uh micah literally went back to blackwater and stole the gangs stash lmao

he could only have done that by making a deal with the feds.

molly and micah are the rats, abigail literally got kidnapped by milton, she didn't "escape" she was literally being held hostage by milton and you kill him to get her back with sadie.

as for dutch, im pretty sure his entire persona is that of a sociopath that is on a path to hell.

dutch wants to suicide by cop, but arthur and the rest of the gang are too good of gunslingers to let that happen, thus putting them through worse and worse situations whilst dutch ultimately kills himself once his entire gang dies or is caught.

Micah and Dutch both retrieved the Blackwater money. Why would a rat who could just take all the money himself decided to not kill Dutch and Make him his Partner till the end ?literally Micah was most loyal to Dutch and stand by him till his last breath when all gang members left...What kind of rat do that ?

What proof you have to determine Micah was a Rat ? The accusation means nothing from enemy. I would do everything to destabilised the gang you want to destroy. If I was agent Milton I would say Micah was rat to create a divide and trigger a civil war. Which it did. Cause Micah was easy to hate cause of his controversial personality, But actions speaks louder than words. Micah risked his life to all gang activies and stood by till the end ( more than anyone else )

Molly was never a rat and it was just a drunk rant who couldn't take Dutch's insanity any longer.

Yeah. Dutch was sociopath who hated anyone consider Equal or better than him..that explains why he killed Angelo bronte cause He was man Dutch wanted to become but never could become....That goes same to Arthur when he started to question his aggressive decisions which caused chaos and Dutch betrayed him by not helping him in Cornwall misson....Same thing Dutch did when he killed Micah ( probably because Micah at the epilogue become as much of Leader of the Gang like Dutch ) and Dutch didn't like someone overshadowed him. He always wanted to be leader and Micah paid the price trying to be The more than just a Gunman of Dutch.

the kind of rat that only cared about the money, and no, micah retrieved the money himself.

that's why it was at HIS hideout on the mountain top hidden away.

dutch was only there in the end because he suspected micah, to be clear the writers of the story clarified this is what happened.

enough speculating, micah was the rat, abigail was kidnapped which is why she wasn't around when you escaped the robbery.

the story literally explains all of this to you as well in the ending credits which is what leads to the events in rdr1.

micah sold the gang out to the pinkertons so that he could get into blackwater and retrieve the stash, and in doing so was playing double agent to dutch.

arthurs true good guy story is that he finds this out after rescuing abigail from milton with sadie, and confronts micah on the rock where dutch simply just shrugs and walks away.

^honestly the spoilers are what this post is about, if anyone pays attention to what the story of rdr actually tells it's a stone cold fact that isn't up for debate.

it's like trying to save arthur, he dies, that's literally how it's written.

just the same as micah is the rat and is why red dead redemption 1s events transpired, john killed a federal rat and was blackmailed into being a bounty hunter of dutches gang, that's literally the story.

[MainProtagonist]

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

Originally posted by Khalid:

Micah and Dutch both retrieved the Blackwater money. Why would a rat who could just take all the money himself decided to not kill Dutch and Make him his Partner till the end ?literally Micah was most loyal to Dutch and stand by him till his last breath when all gang members left...What kind of rat do that ?

What proof you have to determine Micah was a Rat ? The accusation means nothing from enemy. I would do everything to destabilised the gang you want to destroy. If I was agent Milton I would say Micah was rat to create a divide and trigger a civil war. Which it did. Cause Micah was easy to hate cause of his controversial personality, But actions speaks louder than words. Micah risked his life to all gang activies and stood by till the end ( more than anyone else )

Molly was never a rat and it was just a drunk rant who couldn't take Dutch's insanity any longer.

Yeah. Dutch was sociopath who hated anyone consider Equal or better than him..that explains why he killed Angelo bronte cause He was man Dutch wanted to become but never could become....That goes same to Arthur when he started to question his aggressive decisions which caused chaos and Dutch betrayed him by not helping him in Cornwall misson....Same thing Dutch did when he killed Micah ( probably because Micah at the epilogue become as much of Leader of the Gang like Dutch ) and Dutch didn't like someone overshadowed him. He always wanted to be leader and Micah paid the price trying to be The more than just a Gunman of Dutch.

the kind of rat that only cared about the money, and no, micah retrieved the money himself.

that's why it was at HIS hideout on the mountain top hidden away.

dutch was only there in the end because he suspected micah, to be clear the writers of the story clarified this is what happened.

enough speculating, micah was the rat, abigail was kidnapped which is why she wasn't around when you escaped the robbery.

the story literally explains all of this to you as well in the ending credits which is what leads to the events in rdr1.

micah sold the gang out to the pinkertons so that he could get into blackwater and retrieve the stash, and in doing so was playing double agent to dutch.

arthurs true good guy story is that he finds this out after rescuing abigail from milton with sadie, and confronts micah on the rock where dutch simply just shrugs and walks away.

^honestly the spoilers are what this post is about, if anyone pays attention to what the story of rdr actually tells it's a stone cold fact that isn't up for debate.

it's like trying to save arthur, he dies, that's literally how it's written.

just the same as micah is the rat and is why red dead redemption 1s events transpired, john killed a federal rat and was blackmailed into being a bounty hunter of dutches gang, that's literally the story.

- Micah retrieved the money with Dutch cause Only Dutch knew where the money was Hidden..

- If Micah wanted the money himself then he would kill Dutch not other way around. A rat doesn't wait when his Misson is accomplished. In American venom it didn't look anything close to Micha killing Dutch but Himself got shocked when Dutch shoot him.

- Micah only didn't care about the money cause We saw he put himself under danger doing crazy Dutch Misson like Killing Cornwall which involved no money. Killing the guy who killed Sean which involved no money. Participating every robbery game took part in which involved little money but Big Risk ( John got himself shot twice in those Misson). A rat normally would keep himself out of danger by not participating to keep himself safe. Micah was killing others Pinkertons or Almost got himself killed in Guarma.

- There is no speculation. There is no proof you can give that Micah was rat aside from the lame accusations like " Agent Milton said so or Micah wanted the Money" that's it.

- Abigail got himself kidnapped so she can make her Boss agent Milton to Spout the " Rat Theory to Arthur" to divide the gang.... how Abigail got Kidnapped by Milton in the first place ? We didn't see any gang members others than Abigails family got Kidnapped by Pinkerton's . Why everytime if someone got Kidnapped it's always associated with Abigail's family. John ( Kidnapped in Saint Denis robbery). Jack ( Kidnapped in chapter 4 ), Abigail ( Kidnapped in Chapter 6 ), But for others members it's always Instant no prisoner policy. Sean = Killed in the spot. Hosea = Killed. Lenny = Killed.

- Neither Micah or Arthur doesn't concern with RDR1 Story cause it's written before RDR 2 and that's why we didn't hear Arthur being mentioned in RDR1 for once. The writers didn't even created or Imagined Many major RDR 2 characters In RDR 1. Micah was one of them as we didn't hear he is mentioned in RDR 1 just like Arthur did.

The Agents hired John to take out Remaining Dutch Gangs. Not because John killed a rat. John actually qualify as " True Rat" cause He was hunting his former gang members. Like His Wife did In RDR 2. Basically a story of Rat Family and even Hinted as such " The Art ( Anagram of rat ) achievement trophy you put right in the John's house....John uses the pseudonym " Milton" inspired from " Agent milton". Some great hints from Rockstar who was actually the Rat Family in RDR

[Roon72]

The theory that Abigail was the rat and not Micah is a great theory! It certainly has ramifications that affect the events in the first game. Imagine Abigail doing this so she could have her happy ever after only to see it blow up in her face when it leads to her husband's violent death. As you know when you take control of Jack Abigail is dead, possibly self deletion.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Rockstar could have written that way on purpose to have the player guessing and pointing fingers.

[Jake Dragon]

Micah was the villain you needed, Abigail was the villain you wanted.