It wasnt Micah. Abigail was the RAT of RDR 2.

[Mr_Brown]

Abigail was ambitious woman who wanted to leave a peaceful life with John and Jack. She never wanted to be part of gang bs and wanted to do to Tahiti or etc. You can see her desire to be real family mother and leave all these gang member out in many random gang conversations.

She was an outlaw but he wanted her son to be lawyer. To do that she needs to leave all the criminals and make the room for her kids to grow in a safe environment. If you know about Abigail origins then you will know she was thief and pros brought by uncle in the gang and literally abused by everyone. She hated all of them and She didn't made a single donation to the gang from chapter 1-6. You can check the gang contributes and will never see Abigail donate 1 cent to the ledger book. Instead contributing for the gang's funding she instead decided to steal others money in Chapter 6..

She later become abuser herself and always rant on John by calling him useless, ♥♥♥♥♥ etc and that made John escape the gang for 1 year. It been told in the beginning of 2nd chapter in the bear hunting Mission.

-Abigail can be spotted Arguing with John about some unknown argument frequenly in the camp. Maybe she was trying to convince John to escape and Since John was loyal man, She could never made him convinced him. The only option was left to rat out the gang as an exchange of Her family immunity.


- Abigail Knew Arthur was the pillar who was holding the gang together. So she made Arthur to go fishing with Jack where Pinkerton agent tried to Offer him immunity as an exchange for Dutch Van der linde. Which He refused. My point is Abigail set the up the meeting with pinkerton agent by sending Arthur alone in the fishing spot so Pinkerton try to buy him off like he already did to abigail.

- In the 2nd train robbery there was no micah and he was locked up in strawberry jail, Still the heist was set up and Lawman show up way faster than it should. The heist was orchestrated by John Marston and It was first time he tried to be mastermind of something. Even Arthur was surprised. Until it turn out to be setup and only guys present here was Arthur, John, Sean and Charles.

- In the saint denis Bank Robbery, Abigail somehow escaped but Hoses didn't. Who told Pinkerton about the bank robbery? Not micah, cause he was present in the robbery. Why risk his own life in the shoot out where you have pre knowledge about the pinkerton interfaces? Cause he didn't. The same bank robbery John was captured alive and intended to be safe in the jail until Dutch dies and He will be out of the Prison to reunion with Abigail again. That's what Abigail wanted. Gang dies in shoot out but John captured alive ( why ? ). Cause Abigail never wanted any harm to John.

- How Abigail somehow got vanished from Camp and End up in Pinkertons Captivity? Abigail intentionally made Pinkerton agents arrest her as an agreement so She knew Arthur and Sadie will come for resque, and that's the perfect time to spout Micah's name so Arthur gonna easily buy it. Pinkterton agent did the same as planned and Arthur as expected believed it, Then Abigail killed off Pinkerton agent so truth dies with him. It was final plan that worked and destroyed the gang completely.

- Abigail also stole the key and wanted to steal all the gang money before pinkertons arrives and She can start solid with John with load of cash. What more evidence do you want?

She was the one playing games and end up as victories. RDR 2 was about how People are becoming more self centered and civilized and Gangs like Dutch are becoming a thing of past. The betrayal of Abigail to destroy the gang and set up his own life for peace is perfectly suit the theme of the game.

[Twitchey]

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from what I remember Abigail doesn't personally kill anyone

She absolutely shoots Milton right in his head - and fortunately it's fatal (about 3 chapters too late). Her lone redeeming action and like every other woman - it took her too long to get ready (sorry Kizz...lol)

Ah yeah, fair point, my memory was faulty on that one, I guess because it happens so fast in the scene and then you are rushed into the next part so quickly it wasn't a sticking point for me. It could have just as easily been anyone else in the room.

Still, surprisingly it doesn't really move her position on the morality scale of the gang much, considering the amount of bodies on so many of their hands. It really just furthers the point that no one in the gang is a "good guy" so much as just different gradations of "bad".

[JuiceWSA]

Any headway she gained with the aforementioned action, she loses when she starts hiding the squirrel...

;)

[Mr_Brown]

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He was a rat. The sole goal of micah was getting hands on that 150k of hidden Blackwater's cash. He didn't give a ♥♥♥♥ about any of gang members. He ratted for pinkertons, got Hosea killed, who was the only other member besides Dutch that knew where Blackwater money was hidden and was a common sense of the gang. Killed Susan, Arthur himself, made a puppet out of Dutch etc. I don't know why these useless theories must be made when things are so obvious.

Pinkertons hired by Cornwall and Micah killed Cornwall in his own hand? How he was working for Pinkertons then ?

Hosea got killed and Micah was in the same robbery and He killed Pinkertons to let his Gang members escape from the ambush. Why a rat would do that? Why he shoot his own boss to let his enemies bail out of Shootout ?

The Pinkertons wanted only dutch and no one else and Helping Pinkertons = Dutch getting killed or captured. So how It would help Micah to get Blackwater Money if the only person who knew about it gonna be dead or prisoned ? Micah had more Reason to Protect Dutch rather than Betray him which would serve no purpose of his Ambition to get Blackwater money..

He killed Susan as an Act of self defence. Micah was accused of a rat. Same thing happened to Molly and Susan killed him before she even blinked. Why would micah take risk of getting the same treatment from the Physco b1tch who shoot people before they get a chance to explain themselves? It's was Him vs Susan situation.

What proof you got Micah was rat aside from Agent Milton's accusation ? He was a Man hired to destroy the gang and Isnt it obvious he will try to Create " Divide and Rule game" to create a civil war between gang members and weaken it enough to make a final blow ?...

Plz provide some Real Proof other than " Agent Milton Told me so crap"...I am waiting

[in]

Because Micah was playing both Pinkertons and Dutch. Once again. His goal was the money. He did not care about anything else. He ratted when it was useful. And killed them when that was useful.

[Notonlythisnight]

Good debate. Think Abigal is a a b...h and a wh..re. That's what a have read ,is that she is layed with most of the gang members excluding Arthur. Maybe it's true or not, but she is not very nice person, reflecting also to Jack, who is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kid. She is not understanding other's motives even if she wants to have all "riches" of that time. It's clear that John have to do what he is ought or have to have to do for his own family, but Abigail is not approving that. And what about the loality for his friends. What an unfinished character.

[Mr_Brown]

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Because Micah was playing both Pinkertons and Dutch. Once again. His goal was the money. He did not care about anything else. He ratted when it was useful. And killed them when that was useful.

He didnt kill anyone. Agent Milton Killed by Abigail and Dutch Suicide in RDR 1...

Also Micah wasn't a mastermind. A calculative person wouldnt do something foolish like Getting nearly Captured and hanged for Some Stupid Argument in Poker. His personality was dumb, reckless and "Don't Give a fk" attitude...He nearly killed half the town to get his guns back. Had no love and care for himself. Not a ratting type or neither mastermind..He was just like another Bill type Blindly loyal to dutch and He got paid for it. Just like John hunt all Dutch's loyal 1 by 1 in RDR 1....

[Mr_Brown]

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Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that next time someone would make a thread saying Dutch is a good guy with his super long, super well structured & evidence based lawyer kinda statements? I smell it. Not that I care tho, just felt like sharing lol.

Just wasted my steam point ;(

Sorry you feel this way bro. I didn't ask you give any steam points and If I had any scope to return it then Yeah I will do it right now. I just wanted to share my opinions and provoke some thoughts about the game which occurred to my mind and believed maybe some people find it interesting. RDR 2 is an amazing game and Its always fun to discuss it. I don't care about steam points and Neither I don't know what use it has for me. Plz Don't bother wasting your money here..

[in]

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Because Micah was playing both Pinkertons and Dutch. Once again. His goal was the money. He did not care about anything else. He ratted when it was useful. And killed them when that was useful.

He didnt kill anyone. Agent Milton Killed by Abigail and Dutch Suicide in RDR 1...

Also Micah wasn't a mastermind. A calculative person wouldnt do something foolish like Getting nearly Captured and hanged for Some Stupid Argument in Poker. His personality was dumb, reckless and "Don't Give a fk" attitude...He nearly killed half the town to get his guns back. Had no love and care for himself. Not a ratting type or neither mastermind..He was just like another Bill type Blindly loyal to dutch and He got paid for it. Just like John hunt all Dutch's loyal 1 by 1 in RDR 1....

Lol sure, he didn't kill anyone..

[CrE3ps]

im so boring to write so. NO

[Pyx]

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Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that next time someone would make a thread saying Dutch is a good guy with his super long, super well structured & evidence based lawyer kinda statements? I smell it. Not that I care tho, just felt like sharing lol.

Just wasted my steam point ;(

I got you back some points. You didn't waste them, Mr_Brown made a good topic.

[Notonlythisnight]

I'm still amazed, why you all discuss this topic. It's all around discussed here in this forum and in all around internet. The young generation live their lives face into mobile phone, but their still don't know how to find information for a single topic. Pathetic. Seems the answers to your questions, i have lost my confidence for younger generations, should we give them on into a plate, or something. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

[Sommelier de casadas]

When you're out with Charles to scout the new hideout, he says that Abigail "somehow" managed to escape when Hosea was captured, and it's never acutally explained how.

[HerculeHolmes]

You guys are all wrong. Clearly Dutch was the rat all along.

[EKTORP]

Yeah that's a very good theory but at the bank robbery în saint dwnis I think it was micah beacuse every mission planned by micah and where micah is in it it will just be a mess
The good theory

[EKTORP]

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You guys are all wrong. Clearly Dutch was the rat all along.

No beacuse în the mission american vemlnom if you do something I don't really remember I think if you wait to long but aim at micah but anyways if you do something dutch is gonna shoot micah but the game still let's you finish him off and when arthur is on the floor trying to grab the revolv3r if he was the rat he will just shoot arthur or pass the revolver to micah or just throw the revolver of the cliff and leave micah finish off arthur