Game running very poorly despite good hardware [SOLVED]

[choombacabra]

I've got a 3070. I know, it's no 3090 (sarcasm). But the game looks and runs like ass. And at the very least I thought I'd be outrunning a ps4 but that's not currently the case. My max fps has been 60 frames in the barest of conditions and at a minimum of 20 pretty much everywhere else. Excluding anti-aliasing (bringing this to max with everything else up exceeds my memory limit) I have everything on max settings. I'm aware consoles run on lower settings, but the game just looks awful even with settings at their highest. Knowing rockstar I went into this game assuming it wouldn't be optimized for pc but at this point I just don't know what to do. My graphics drivers are up to date and my cpu isn't running at max while the game is going. Geforce experience seemed to make the game worse in every way so I uninstalled it, and while it is running better now that it's gone my performance is still extremely disappointing. Granted, I am trying to run it at 4k. I've seen lots of suggestions in other forums for other issues saying to change display settings resolution to 1920x1080 and if that's what I have to do then I guess that's what I have to do. I don't think this game really has 4k support to my knowledge but downgrading my resolution like that feels like I'm wasting my pc's potential. If there are any ways I can optimize this game I'd really like to know. That said, if all I'm doing by keeping it 4k is bottlenecking it then please just let me know I'm wasting my time and I'll just change my resolution.

Edit: No way in Hell am I changing my resolution to 1920x1080. Just tried it and I don't even want to launch the game with this black bars on the side of my screen, everything grainy as Hell. Any suggestions for optimization would be greatly appreciated.

[MAXE]

system spec ?

A graphic card 3070 wont do the trick if the rest of the hardware arent up to date aswell .. then a 3070 is a waste of money if you dont follow up with the correct hardware for you to benchmark and push that 3070 to its limits !

To compare it, then it is the same as throw a v12 down into a skoda and tell the driver to go win a f1 race .. xD

p.s. if you want to get rid of the black bars then go to the nvidia control settings -> ajust desktop size and placement -> set to full screen = no black bars !

[choombacabra]

Originally posted by M-A-X-E ™:

system spec ?

I've got an intel i7 10700, 16gigs of ddr4, windows 10 64 bit, a 3070 (8gigs)

[Chesty La'Rou]

Originally posted by 効用 魔法使い:

I've got a 3070. I know, it's no 3090 (sarcasm). But the game looks and runs like ass. And at the very least I thought I'd be outrunning a ps4 but that's not currently the case. My max fps has been 60 frames in the barest of conditions and at a minimum of 20 pretty much everywhere else. Excluding anti-aliasing (bringing this to max with everything else up exceeds my memory limit) I have everything on max settings. I'm aware consoles run on lower settings, but the game just looks awful even with settings at their highest. Knowing rockstar I went into this game assuming it wouldn't be optimized for pc but at this point I just don't know what to do. My graphics drivers are up to date and my cpu isn't running at max while the game is going. Geforce experience seemed to make the game worse in every way so I uninstalled it, and while it is running better now that it's gone my performance is still extremely disappointing. Granted, I am trying to run it at 4k. I've seen lots of suggestions in other forums for other issues saying to change display settings resolution to 1920x1080 and if that's what I have to do then I guess that's what I have to do. I don't think this game really has 4k support to my knowledge but downgrading my resolution like that feels like I'm wasting my pc's potential. If there are any ways I can optimize this game I'd really like to know. That said, if all I'm doing by keeping it 4k is bottlenecking it then please just let me know I'm wasting my time and I'll just change my resolution.

Edit: No way in Hell am I changing my resolution to 1920x1080. Just tried it and I don't even want to launch the game with this black bars on the side of my screen, everything grainy as Hell. Any suggestions for optimization would be greatly appreciated.

You won't get 60+ fps with a 3070 at anything higher than 1920x1080 in a game like RDR2.

To get 60+ fps in RDR2 @ 1440p or higher, you'll need a 2080 Ti, 3080, 3080 Ti, etc. An 8gb card just won't cut it with this game and that resolution.

It will run pretty good at 1080 though. That card is pretty good. You should be able to offset the degradation from the lower resolution by upping some of the extra graphics settings.

[choombacabra]

Damn, well thanks for letting me knoe

[MAXE]

This is non OC settings i give you here ...

Set the ram to 2933 mhz cl 15 .. and all the cores to 2,9 ghz, cpu cache max and minimum to 2,6 ghz, turn off speedstep, remember to set you PCIE to x16 and gen 3 and The nvme ssd to x4 if you got that one ?

Remember to tweak the game settings too ..

That should do the trick for your system i think !
if not then you need to OC it .. but dont push it to more than 4,2-4,4 though your cpu max is 4,8 and ram to max 3,2-3,6 ghz .. and remember to have the correct cooling first !
Better safe than sorry :)

[MAXE]

Originally posted by Chesty La'Rou:

Originally posted by 効用 魔法使い:

I've got a 3070. I know, it's no 3090 (sarcasm). But the game looks and runs like ass. And at the very least I thought I'd be outrunning a ps4 but that's not currently the case. My max fps has been 60 frames in the barest of conditions and at a minimum of 20 pretty much everywhere else. Excluding anti-aliasing (bringing this to max with everything else up exceeds my memory limit) I have everything on max settings. I'm aware consoles run on lower settings, but the game just looks awful even with settings at their highest. Knowing rockstar I went into this game assuming it wouldn't be optimized for pc but at this point I just don't know what to do. My graphics drivers are up to date and my cpu isn't running at max while the game is going. Geforce experience seemed to make the game worse in every way so I uninstalled it, and while it is running better now that it's gone my performance is still extremely disappointing. Granted, I am trying to run it at 4k. I've seen lots of suggestions in other forums for other issues saying to change display settings resolution to 1920x1080 and if that's what I have to do then I guess that's what I have to do. I don't think this game really has 4k support to my knowledge but downgrading my resolution like that feels like I'm wasting my pc's potential. If there are any ways I can optimize this game I'd really like to know. That said, if all I'm doing by keeping it 4k is bottlenecking it then please just let me know I'm wasting my time and I'll just change my resolution.

Edit: No way in Hell am I changing my resolution to 1920x1080. Just tried it and I don't even want to launch the game with this black bars on the side of my screen, everything grainy as Hell. Any suggestions for optimization would be greatly appreciated.

You won't get 60+ fps with a 3070 at anything higher than 1920x1080 in a game like RDR2.

To get 60+ fps in RDR2 @ 1440p or higher, you'll need a 2080 Ti, 3080, 3080 Ti, etc. An 8gb card just won't cut it with this game and that resolution.

It will run pretty good at 1080 though. That card is pretty good. You should be able to offset the degradation from the lower resolution by upping some of the extra graphics settings.

Dude please stop ok .. you dont know what you are talking about ..

i have done 90-200 fps on a old gtx 1060 6gb @ 2560x1440p.. so please stop, the rtx 3070 can easy do 100+ fps in 4k !

The game set at absolute max in all dont even use 5 gb ..

[JankoDaTapo]

just a buy a rtx3090TIE

[Viking2121]

You you will probably have to turn some settings down, this game is sorta a mess with optimizations and its just graphically heavy.

Have you tried to turn down the water quality, that kills performance int his game.

Even my 6800xt kinda struggles with the water quality turned up too ultra, at high I do drop below 60fps at 3440x1440, But ultra just kills it.

[Viking2121]

Originally posted by M-A-X-E ™:

Originally posted by Chesty La'Rou:

You won't get 60+ fps with a 3070 at anything higher than 1920x1080 in a game like RDR2.

To get 60+ fps in RDR2 @ 1440p or higher, you'll need a 2080 Ti, 3080, 3080 Ti, etc. An 8gb card just won't cut it with this game and that resolution.

It will run pretty good at 1080 though. That card is pretty good. You should be able to offset the degradation from the lower resolution by upping some of the extra graphics settings.

Dude please stop ok .. you dont know what you are talking about ..

i have done 90-200 fps on a old gtx 1060 6gb @ 2560x1440p.. so please stop, the rtx 3070 can easy do 100+ fps in 4k !

The game set at absolute max in all dont even use 5 gb ..

Yeah ok bud, quit lying out your teeth there.... Or prove me wrong, a 1060 is not getting no where near 200 fps or even 90 at high or maxed out. Must of hit your head on rock or something.....

[MAXE]

Originally posted by Viking2121:

Originally posted by M-A-X-E ™:

Dude please stop ok .. you dont know what you are talking about ..

i have done 90-200 fps on a old gtx 1060 6gb @ 2560x1440p.. so please stop, the rtx 3070 can easy do 100+ fps in 4k !

The game set at absolute max in all dont even use 5 gb ..

Yeah ok bud, quit lying out your teeth there.... Or prove me wrong, a 1060 is not getting no where near 200 fps or even 90 at high or maxed out. Must of hit your head on rock or something.....

Not really .. i aint lying .. the same card could bench 1000 fps in the game menu in games like Shadow of war .. and over 150-300 fps ingame ... CS:GO the same 400-999 fps... i did limit the graphic card to 500 fps in CS:GO though ..

This was with a gtx 1060 6 gb

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2673500108

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2202247711

[MAXE]

Originally posted by JankoDaTapo:

just a buy a rtx3090TIE

That is a bit overkill and waste of money, well unless he want to play games and cryptomine at the same time :D

Cheers .. opens a beer ...

[MAXE]

You see its the same with graphic cards as it is with the mouse ... the sales man says that you need 25000 wooping dpi mouse with 50g and so on to be on the edge on compettition .. well its not true, most only need 400-800-1200 dpi so 25k dpi is a waste .. same it is with the graphic cards .. the games is not build for the power that a rtx 3090 can perform .. so its totally overkill with such card unless you want to develop games yourself ..

you need to find a balance between the cpu and gpu / ram / sdd that fits .. so if your cpu only can bench 45 gb/s .. then you dont need a GPU that can bench 800 gb/s .. because your cpu cannot deliver the data needed for it fast enough anyways !

lets take a example here .. the new intel i9-12900 can support up to 76.8 GB/s to simiconducter before it bottleneck .. thats alot of data pr sec .. so here you could get a rtx 3070-3080 because the cpu would be able to feed the graphic card with the needed data .. but then you will need fast memory ram and a fast motherboard aswell and a fast SSD ..

A 3090 will be overkill i think for the intel i9 and might need a fast xeon processor to feed the card with the data needed for it to perform at its max ! you will allso need ram and a motherboard with a fast fsb to feed that beast with the data needed .. i mean a 3090 is more for cryptominers and game developers than for the normal players out there ..

i dont know .. but you need atleast one of the i9 processors to feed a rtx 3090 with .. either a i9 9900k to intel i9-12900 ... one of thous !

[Chesty La'Rou]

Originally posted by M-A-X-E ™:

Originally posted by Chesty La'Rou:

You won't get 60+ fps with a 3070 at anything higher than 1920x1080 in a game like RDR2.

To get 60+ fps in RDR2 @ 1440p or higher, you'll need a 2080 Ti, 3080, 3080 Ti, etc. An 8gb card just won't cut it with this game and that resolution.

It will run pretty good at 1080 though. That card is pretty good. You should be able to offset the degradation from the lower resolution by upping some of the extra graphics settings.

Dude please stop ok .. you dont know what you are talking about ..

i have done 90-200 fps on a old gtx 1060 6gb @ 2560x1440p.. so please stop, the rtx 3070 can easy do 100+ fps in 4k !

The game set at absolute max in all dont even use 5 gb ..

You really don't understand what you're talking about. You will NEVER get RDR2 to run at 1440 at an average of 60 fps. Before I continue I also want to point out that 1440p is NOT 1920x1440, it's 2560x1440.

Also, you're not understanding the memory usage in RDR2's settings.

You're also comparing this game to two other games that are 6 or more years old, on top of the recommended requirements of the TINY engine that runs your Lord of the Rings game is a 1060.

Understand this, just because you got a credit card and slapped some PC components into a case and then downloaded some games on Steam, DOESN'T make you an expert at PC hardware and gaming. Unlike you, I actually was trying to help this person figure out their situation and here you come with some novice level knowledge and whatever you read off of Wikipedia.

As for your idiotic second post...I can't help but notice that the screenshot is of the most basic textures, zoomed in with a scope aaaand then we look at the other 90 screenshots of CS:GO you have and SURPRISE!!! they all say 140 fps.

People like you are the reason everyone thinks PC gaming is toxic. Please do everyone a favor and go back to playing CS:GO.

[Chesty La'Rou]

Originally posted by M-A-X-E ™:

You see its the same with graphic cards as it is with the mouse ... the sales man says that you need 25000 wooping dpi mouse with 50g and so on to be on the edge on compettition .. well its not true, most only need 400-800-1200 dpi so 25k dpi is a waste .. same it is with the graphic cards .. the games is not build for the power that a rtx 3090 can perform .. so its totally overkill with such card unless you want to develop games yourself ..

you need to find a balance between the cpu and gpu / ram / sdd that fits .. so if your cpu only can bench 45 gb/s .. then you dont need a GPU that can bench 800 gb/s .. because your cpu cannot deliver the data needed for it fast enough anyways !

lets take a example here .. the new intel i9-12900 can support up to 76.8 GB/s to simiconducter before it bottleneck .. thats alot of data pr sec .. so here you could get a rtx 3070-3080 because the cpu would be able to feed the graphic card with the needed data .. but then you will need fast memory ram and a fast motherboard aswell and a fast SSD ..

A 3090 will be overkill i think for the intel i9 and might need a fast xeon processor to feed the card with the data needed for it to perform at its max ! you will allso need ram and a motherboard with a fast fsb to feed that beast with the data needed .. i mean a 3090 is more for cryptominers and game developers than for the normal players out there ..

i dont know .. but you need atleast one of the i9 processors to feed a rtx 3090 with .. either a i9 9900k to intel i9-12900 ... one of thous !

Once again, no you don't. I can drive a 2080 Ti with a 3770k with only 5-10% loss. You do NOT need an SSD or some crazy fast ram to run a high end video card. You DO NOT need a Xeon processor to drive a 3090 at its peak.

The only thing that REALLY matters with video cards is the processor and PCI-E bandwidth.

[MAXE]

Originally posted by Chesty La'Rou:

Originally posted by M-A-X-E ™:

You see its the same with graphic cards as it is with the mouse ... the sales man says that you need 25000 wooping dpi mouse with 50g and so on to be on the edge on compettition .. well its not true, most only need 400-800-1200 dpi so 25k dpi is a waste .. same it is with the graphic cards .. the games is not build for the power that a rtx 3090 can perform .. so its totally overkill with such card unless you want to develop games yourself ..

you need to find a balance between the cpu and gpu / ram / sdd that fits .. so if your cpu only can bench 45 gb/s .. then you dont need a GPU that can bench 800 gb/s .. because your cpu cannot deliver the data needed for it fast enough anyways !

lets take a example here .. the new intel i9-12900 can support up to 76.8 GB/s to simiconducter before it bottleneck .. thats alot of data pr sec .. so here you could get a rtx 3070-3080 because the cpu would be able to feed the graphic card with the needed data .. but then you will need fast memory ram and a fast motherboard aswell and a fast SSD ..

A 3090 will be overkill i think for the intel i9 and might need a fast xeon processor to feed the card with the data needed for it to perform at its max ! you will allso need ram and a motherboard with a fast fsb to feed that beast with the data needed .. i mean a 3090 is more for cryptominers and game developers than for the normal players out there ..

i dont know .. but you need atleast one of the i9 processors to feed a rtx 3090 with .. either a i9 9900k to intel i9-12900 ... one of thous !

Once again, no you don't. I can drive a 2080 Ti with a 3770k with only 5-10% loss. You do NOT need an SSD or some crazy fast ram to run a high end video card. You DO NOT need a Xeon processor to drive a 3090 at its peak.

The only thing that REALLY matters with video cards is the processor and PCI-E bandwidth.

Wake up .. you just said exactly what i said dude !
and yes you need fast SSD for the load time and faster data flow to the simiconducter and you need fast ram to handle that flow too .. so please stop ok ..

unless the game only is 8-16 gb big you will need what i said to push a 3090 to its limits ..

some of the fastest Rtx 3090 cards have around 600+ GT/s Texture Fill Rate and more than 936 GB/s Memory Bandwidth ... if you dont have the motherboard and cpu ram, ssd to feed it with then you bottleneck and have wasted a TON of money on a hardware you cannot push to its limits !

It is kinda like buying a racecar that is limited so it only can drive 100 mp/h instead of 250 mp/h