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Yes, I have a Mic. 2019 年 12 月 13 日 下午 11:21
Should I wait to buy this?
On one hand I've waited a long time to play this... on the other hand I'm reading alot of complaints and I have to think theres going to be an even bigger discount at some point to make up for the massive PR ♥♥♥♥♥torm that is currently occurring.
The price seems way too much for a port of a game that has been around for a year, has catastrophic bugs and has this much bad feeling around it.

Thoughts?

EDIT; Netharon has demonstrated to me conclusively that RDR2 is a bad port and that I should wait till it has been updated and/or has fallen in price.
Special thanks to Netharon.
最后由 Yes, I have a Mic. 编辑于; 2019 年 12 月 16 日 下午 3:09
引用自 Netharon:
引用自 The Narrator
引用自 Netharon
Crashing for some users on some certain systems doesnt make it a bad port. It just needs patching. Hopefully, we get the required patches for that.

What qualities make a bad port?

If it had very poor optimizations and lack of graphical customizations over the console variants.
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Netharon 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 3:46 
引用自 The Narrator
引用自 Netharon
Crashing for some users on some certain systems doesnt make it a bad port. It just needs patching. Hopefully, we get the required patches for that.

What qualities make a bad port?

If it had very poor optimizations and lack of graphical customizations over the console variants.
Ad Hominem 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 3:51 
引用自 Elon Puff
引用自 Ad Hominem
The sock puppets and shills are out in full force tonight. The game is good but it runs bad.

Actual benchmarking and testing of the game beg to differ. Check this, you can skip to end for results if you like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD3xd1qGcfo

As you can see, your expectations to run this game at 100fps with your card can't live up to reality. Not even talking about the rest of your setup.

EDIT: and wtf is wrong with KSP lol, played that game till my previous pc burnt out.

So instead of RDR2 meeting the expectations of literally the rest of the PC gaming world, we all have to adjust our expectations?
Ad Hominem 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 3:53 
引用自 Netharon
引用自 󠀡
yeah its also an 8 yr old game. im trying to figure out why you would think it runs poorly when it clearly doesnt. your other more demanding games are arma3 and fo4 but both are getting old. this game is perfectly playable even down at 45 fps beacuse the engine is good. wanna know a game that ran like ♥♥♥♥ at launch? Far Cry 4. back when ubisoft used to be known for bad optimization.

Not only are those titles old, they use a completely different engine and dont have the same open world rendering techniques. Simply comparing performance from one game to another is pure ignorance for a non-informed user.

Then are you saying the RDR2 engine is bad? A game is still a game no matter what engine it runs.
Yes, I have a Mic. 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 3:54 
引用自 Netharon
引用自 The Narrator

What qualities make a bad port?

If it had very poor optimizations and lack of graphical customizations over the console variants.

How would you determine if the port was poorly optimised?
󠀡 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:02 
引用自 The Narrator
What qualities make a bad port?
If looking around feels laggy when fps goes under 60. Stuttering or micro stutters. Random CTD. Graphical options that offer very little impact. Lack of options to disable motion blur and DoF.
Netharon 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:16 
引用自 󠀡
引用自 The Narrator
What qualities make a bad port?
If looking around feels laggy when fps goes under 60.

Gsync keeps it smooth at 40 :)
Yes, I have a Mic. 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:17 
引用自 󠀡
引用自 The Narrator
What qualities make a bad port?
If looking around feels laggy when fps goes under 60. Stuttering or micro stutters. Random CTD. Graphical options that offer very little impact. Lack of options to disable motion blur and DoF.
Oooooh, I get it. The reviews make sense now.
Netharon 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:18 
引用自 Ad Hominem
引用自 Netharon

Not only are those titles old, they use a completely different engine and dont have the same open world rendering techniques. Simply comparing performance from one game to another is pure ignorance for a non-informed user.

Then are you saying the RDR2 engine is bad? A game is still a game no matter what engine it runs.

facepalm. thats like asking why metro last light doesnt run as smooth as kerbal space program because "they are both games"
Michael 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:22 
If you think the game has very poor optimizations

I want to bring this up to people in this thread To those want to compare the latest Version of Rockstar's RAGE engine to game that don't have as much complexity or detail and say RDR2
is "unoptimised."

RDR2 increases the details in the game that GTA V can't even touch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAQKYNr87Is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiAilnowECI


Advanced settings that are locked are locked because they bring performance WAY down when you unlock them. try setting them back to their original setting and you will see a boost.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0lE7gU9PA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp2eEiWqCpo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqNdX2NIdVo


The showcase of RAGE engine games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fruSKeMKNY0

引用自 Ad Hominem

Yea unless it comes from the developers mouth it's just conjecture and a cover story for what is largely considered to be a bad port.

It's not a bad port.. Just bad systems running it. Current hardware can't keep up with RDR2 on ultra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0lE7gU9PA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1iNSyvIPaY
最后由 Michael 编辑于; 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 5:28
Yes, I have a Mic. 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:24 
引用自 Michael
引用自 Netharon

If it had very poor optimizations and lack of graphical customizations over the console variants.

This is wrong... let me post this again

I want to bring this up to people in this thread To those want to compare the latest Version of Rockstar's RAGE engine to game that don't have as much complexity or detail and say RDR2
is "unoptimised."

RDR2 increases the details in the game that GTA V can't even touch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAQKYNr87Is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiAilnowECI


Advanced settings that are locked are locked because they bring performance WAY down when you unlock them. try setting them back to their original setting and you will see a boost.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0lE7gU9PA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp2eEiWqCpo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqNdX2NIdVo


The showcase of RAGE engine games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fruSKeMKNY0

引用自 Ad Hominem

Yea unless it comes from the developers mouth it's just conjecture and a cover story for what is largely considered to be a bad port.

It's not a bad port.. Just bad systems running it. Current hardware can't keep up with RDR2 on ultra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0lE7gU9PA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1iNSyvIPaY

So you're saying Netharon is wrong?
Michael 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:28 
引用自 The Narrator
引用自 Michael

This is wrong... let me post this again

I want to bring this up to people in this thread To those want to compare the latest Version of Rockstar's RAGE engine to game that don't have as much complexity or detail and say RDR2
is "unoptimised."

RDR2 increases the details in the game that GTA V can't even touch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAQKYNr87Is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiAilnowECI


Advanced settings that are locked are locked because they bring performance WAY down when you unlock them. try setting them back to their original setting and you will see a boost.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0lE7gU9PA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp2eEiWqCpo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqNdX2NIdVo


The showcase of RAGE engine games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fruSKeMKNY0



It's not a bad port.. Just bad systems running it. Current hardware can't keep up with RDR2 on ultra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0lE7gU9PA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1iNSyvIPaY

So you're saying Netharon is wrong?

Watch the videos yourself. RDR2 is very demanding and has many graphical improvements over GTA V. The second video shows in detail what the first glances at.
Netharon 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:39 
引用自 Michael
引用自 Netharon

If it had very poor optimizations and lack of graphical customizations over the console variants.

This is wrong... let me post this again

I want to bring this up to people in this thread To those want to compare the latest Version of Rockstar's RAGE engine to game that don't have as much complexity or detail and say RDR2
is "unoptimised."

RDR2 increases the details in the game that GTA V can't even touch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAQKYNr87Is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiAilnowECI


Advanced settings that are locked are locked because they bring performance WAY down when you unlock them. try setting them back to their original setting and you will see a boost.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0lE7gU9PA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp2eEiWqCpo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqNdX2NIdVo


The showcase of RAGE engine games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fruSKeMKNY0

引用自 Ad Hominem

Yea unless it comes from the developers mouth it's just conjecture and a cover story for what is largely considered to be a bad port.

It's not a bad port.. Just bad systems running it. Current hardware can't keep up with RDR2 on ultra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0lE7gU9PA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1iNSyvIPaY

I totally agree with you here. My post that you quoted was NOT me saying that RDR2 suffered from those issues. I'm spending a fair amount of time explaining to people that they cannot compare this game to another game and wonder why the FPS is so much lower. People are expecting too much while they have the freedom of unlocked settings, along with very little understanding of what those settings actually do. Like the guy that doesn't understand why lowering the resolution and keeping all settings on ultra wasn't boosting FPS.

"It's not a bad port.. Just bad systems running it. Current hardware can't keep up with RDR2 on ultra." - I have been saying this in every post of people complaining. They just don't get it.
最后由 Netharon 编辑于; 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:45
Zangato 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:40 
Dont give those fat ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ your money. Wait till 50% off discount.
Ad Hominem 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:47 
引用自 Netharon
I'm spending a fair amount of time explaining to people that they cannot compare this game to another game and wonder why the FPS is so much lower.

Why should this game be protected from comparison? Instead of RDR2 meeting the expectations set by every other game in the industry, we need to lower our expectations until this level of performance is ok? How low are you willing to go? What if the next game only can get 10 fps, but those 10 frames look photo realistic? Does that get a pass?
Michael 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:49 
引用自 Netharon

I totally agree with you here. My post that you quoted was NOT me saying that RDR2 suffered from those issues. I'm spending a fair amount of time explaining to people that they cannot compare this game to another game and wonder why the FPS is so much lower. People are expecting too much while they have the freedom of unlocked settings, along with very little understanding of what those settings actually do. Like the guy that doesn't understand why lowering the resolution and keeping all settings on ultra wasn't boosting FPS.


I missed the if and I see that we are in agreement. You can't compare RDR2 to oter RAGE engine games because they lack feature of the version RDR2 uses. The people don't even release that the console version runs at 30 fps while the PC version runs at 60 fps. You might want to point people to these videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1iNSyvIPaY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAwAP499YSQ
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