RDR1 remake confirmed in RDR2?

[FreddieForever#1]

I think they put the last 2 chapters in because they are making RDR1 remake.

[TheMetalCorpser]

Originally posted by Silver:

Red Dead Redemption Remake is not going to happen!
.Or else it would already have happend.

That's not how development, products, or companies work.

[FreddieForever#1]

Originally posted by TheMetalCorpser:

Originally posted by Silver:

Red Dead Redemption Remake is not going to happen!
.Or else it would already have happend.

That's not how development, products, or companies work.

There is literally zero chance that they wont release a new RDR game.

[R3m0ved]

Yep, R* like to milk those IPs, after RDR2 success, Remake is most likely already worked on, and i would love to see it on this engine

Originally posted by Silver:

Red Dead Redemption Remake is not going to happen!
.Or else it would already have happend.

What kind of argument is this ? They started working on RDR2 in 2010 right after the first got out, it was a 8 yrs job... so tell us more about your logic here

[RageMojo]

Originally posted by R3m0ved:

Yep, R* like to milk those IPs, after RDR2 success, Remake is most likely already worked on, and i would love to see it on this engine

Originally posted by Silver:

Red Dead Redemption Remake is not going to happen!
.Or else it would already have happend.

What kind of argument is this ? They started working on RDR2 in 2010 right after the first got out, it was a 8 yrs job... so tell us more about your logic here

Are you implying a company would work for 8 years on a remake??? There is no chance in hell of that.

[R3m0ved]

Originally posted by RageMojo:

Originally posted by R3m0ved:

Yep, R* like to milk those IPs, after RDR2 success, Remake is most likely already worked on, and i would love to see it on this engine



What kind of argument is this ? They started working on RDR2 in 2010 right after the first got out, it was a 8 yrs job... so tell us more about your logic here

Are you implying a company would work for 8 years on a remake??? There is no chance in hell of that.

That's my point, his argument was, if a RDR1 Remake existed, it would have already been made
Fact is, they worked 8 years for RDR2 right after the 1 got out, like any regular IPs production

Now that the engine is stable, wildlife, assets, AIs, NPCs, 70% of the map, they can afford a Remake at a more reasonable cost, it'll take years anyway, but not 8

My point was just like yours, no company would ever invest that much in a Remake
A remake would have cost the same time back in 2010, going RDR2 was a more logical project right after the first

This is why his argument absolutely make no fraking sense at all, why would they start a remake right after the first and only ? I don't get it
Hence i want to know more about his 'business logic'

To me it seems more logic to go for the 2, get players feedbacks, then milk it further with a standalone Remake of the first with much re-use of those years... i must be stupid, but it seems like easy money

Minimal art and creation work required, hype meter 100%, money grab 9999%

[LordOfTheBread]

Most popular Rockstar franchise is GTA it makes total sense that they start by remaking those first (especially because they do want more reach in the mobile market since they are alos making mobile versions of those GTA remakes) then, if they sell well enough they will prbably consider remaking RDR.

Right now they are printing money with 0 efforts thanks to shark cards in GTA Online, they don't need to make a RDR remake to make money right now and make no mistake, Rockstar is all about making money.

[RageMojo]

And as a company that loves greed, they will weight the costs to expected income and decide.

The problem with older games is that after a while the original textures and stuff are just too small to play in modern resolutions.

As for GTA, it is one of the most modded series in history. So R* literally is just going to steal years of modders work and sell everyone remasters. But RDR doesnt have that modding community because it never came out on on PC.

I would say it is possible but unlikely to ever happen.

If the GTA remasters make tons of cash, they might, if they can convert RDR, but there is no way in hell they will recode it from scratch to modernize it. They would just do an RDR3 at that point.

[R3m0ved]

Originally posted by RageMojo:

And as a company that loves greed, they will weight the costs to expected income and decide.

The problem with older games is that after a while the original textures and stuff are just too small to play in modern resolutions.

As for GTA, it is one of the most modded series in history. So R* literally is just going to steal years of modders work and sell everyone remasters. But RDR doesnt have that modding community because it never came out on on PC.

I would say it is possible but unlikely to ever happen.

If the GTA remasters make tons of cash, they might, if they can convert RDR, but there is no way in hell they will recode it from scratch to modernize it. They would just do an RDR3 at that point.

From sratch ? Far from it, they do no need no textures or more assets expect missing models
They got to do Mexico part of the map, which is currently under work by modders

https://www.nexusmods.com/reddeadredemption2/mods/1000

A RDR1 Remake will be a huge reuse of RDR2 at this point :
- All the existing map, missing Mexico
- All models from current game
- NPC System
- Wildlife System
- All weapons, vehicles, horses, trees, grass, houses... basically all assets
- Current engine

What they got to do with the new engine, and don't get me wrong this is work :
- Cutscenes with animations and lipsyncing
- New models for missing characters, and some missing assets (like those Escalera houses)
- Add Mexico to the map
- Coding the missions (spawns, timers, events ...) -> Main work
-> Sell it at a full 60$ standalone game millions copies multi-platforms

Old audio assets like voice recordings are all RAWs files, they just need to be encoded with modern codecs, they don't even need to bring back actors or write any new lines if they want

You've all said it, greed
What i see is a lot a of money

They made a ton of cash with RDR2, much more than the 500 Millions they spent
Almost 40 Millions copies sold, far from GTAV i agree, but still, almost in Top 10 highest selling games of history

Am i the only one to see they can make almost the same sales with less than half the required work ?

[LordOfTheBread]

Does not matter how many assets trhey need or don't need or if they do it from scratch or not.

RDR2 was very succesful, selling 38M copies on all platforms worldwide but it is overshadowed by the 150+ M sales of GTA 5. Right now, and for the foreseable future GTA is the golden goose, not RDR hence why they are making remakes of old GTA games but theres no word of any RDR remake or even a RDR3.

Does not mean it will not happen at some point but, let's face it, they will keep milking GTA 5 as long as they can and then make a GTA 6 before anything comes from the RDR front.

You have to understand that these companies are not after "a lot of money" but after all the money, remaking RDR, unless they can port that on mobile, like they plan to do with older GTA games, is not enough money and no recurring revenue in sight to even be deemed worth considering.

If Rockstar made games according to what fans wanted it would be known by now...

[LordOfTheBread]

I might add that GTA 5 dod cost 250M to make while RDR2 was almost double at 450M and yet RDR2 sold less than 1/3 of GTA 5.

[RageMojo]

Originally posted by LordOfTheBread:

I might add that GTA 5 dod cost 250M to make while RDR2 was almost double at 450M and yet RDR2 sold less than 1/3 of GTA 5.

You do understand it is not an either or situation. Companies have multiple products.

[LordOfTheBread]

Originally posted by RageMojo:

Originally posted by LordOfTheBread:

I might add that GTA 5 dod cost 250M to make while RDR2 was almost double at 450M and yet RDR2 sold less than 1/3 of GTA 5.

You do understand it is not an either or situation. Companies have multiple products.

I understand totally that a company would focus on their most profitable franchise and right now it is GTA so chances are we will see GTA 6 before a RDR remaster. I never said they will abandone the RDR franchise mind you but I bet the priority is indeed into GTA right now.

Feel free to try and prove me wrong, there are infos online on a potential GTA 6 and GTA remasters / remakes while there is no info on any RDR project whatsoever save the predictions of our good friend Freddy saying it will release in 2023...