Who is the REAL traitor? (spoilers)

[S W I F T • L I G H T I N G]

Your guesses, gentlemen?

The fact that Mika was a traitor would be too simple, but this man did not even have a reliable reason to betray the Dutch. After all, even after all that happened, Dutch and Mika went to create a new gang of thugs.
As we all remember, during the massacre of Arthur and Milton, Abigail shot him. Perhaps Milton lied, knowing that Arthur would rather believe in Mickey's betrayal than the Marston family.
Fact 1 - John was not killed in a bank robbery, but was captured and sent to prison. Abigail was not arrested.
Fact 2 - Dutch was in no hurry to save John from prison and was extremely angry at the fact of his release.
Fact 3 - John was cast when he
fell off the train, and Dutch said he was most likely dead.

Throughout the game, Dutch breathed unevenly to Abigail and John. And when you consider that Abigail stole the key to the treasure with gold, this can explain a lot.

Or it could be Hosea.

BTW: Thanks for the adequate answers.

[Jaunitta 🌸]

It starts with M
Micah starts working as a mole for the Pinkertons, ultimately causing the downfall of the Van der Linde gang.

[desire]

You are not gonna believe this. But, the real traitor was Micah.
Surprising? Not like it was revealed via story or anything.

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We have one mention: http://prntscr.com/s6i0cc
After that, it makes sense to think.

In addition, there is very little information about Trelawney.

[theseeker52]

Originally posted by S W I F T • L I G H T I N G:

Your guesses, gentlemen?

The fact that Mika was a traitor would be too simple, but this man did not even have a reliable reason to betray the Dutch. After all, even after all that happened, Dutch and Mika went to create a new gang of thugs.
As we all remember, during the massacre of Arthur and Milton, Abigail shot him. Perhaps Milton lied, knowing that Arthur would rather believe in Mickey's betrayal than the Marston family.
Fact 1 - John was not killed in a bank robbery, but was captured and sent to prison. Abigail was not arrested.
Fact 2 - Dutch was in no hurry to save John from prison and was extremely angry at the fact of his release.
Fact 3 - John was cast when he
fell off the train, and Dutch said he was most likely dead.

Throughout the game, Dutch breathed unevenly to Abigail and John. And when you consider that Abigail stole the key to the treasure with gold, this can explain a lot.

Or it could be Hosea.

hmmm.......perhaps 3 traitors, Molly...felt like the scorned woman, Micah ..wanting his own gang and startup money, Dutch ...twisted by Micah's lies and betraying his own comrades but as far as Abigail with the key to the treasure chest , an ace in the hole, for protection for her , Jack and John.

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Originally posted by theseeker52:

I do not think that the authors of the antagonist are represented so corny. Meanwhile, when they showed us a clear villain, we could easily lose sight of the real antagonist.

Milton said Mika was recruited after arriving from the island. Does this mean that Mika was a rat or was not before the events on the island.

[theseeker52]

I thought the game mentioned Dutch knew Micah from an earlier time in a conversation between Arthur and Dutch. The answer to your question, I think, is what was Dutch really about...like his real end game !

[Winnie]

After the Blackwater incident, the Pinkerton agents (Milton and Ross) approach each and every single one of the member excluding Hosea and Dutch, since these 2 are the one they wanted.

Only one betrayed, and its Micah.
he's more like a bounty hunter than outlaw, Dutch and Hosea's price is 1000$ each. who doesnt want that ? He isnt cracked after Guarma, no.. he planned everything since the beginning.

You can find this evidence, by revisiting his makeshift camp after you complete his chain of mission in chapter 2. (there's a newspaper scrap of Blackwater incident and Dutch's wanted poster)

tldr: Micah's reason to betray the gang isnt because Milton and Ross promised freedom and money. He's simply looking for the bounty Dutch had. He's a bounty hunter.

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Originally posted by Winchester:

This is a possible proof, but not direct. I believe that Micah originally worked for the O'driscolls, and they, in turn, made a deal with Pinkerton.

This is confirmed even by the fact that Micah in every possible way persuaded Dutch to come to negotiations with Colm and framed Arthur. Dutch himself hardly knew that Arthur was captured.

I also continue to believe that Miss O'Shea could also betray the Dutch, because there is no reason to trust Milton, because throughout the game he tried to manipulate the situation in his favor and push Arthur to completely destroy the gang with a rumor of betrayal Micah.

p.s. I would like to see an opinion on the other hand, which could justify the fact that he is not the only traitor, or his motives were not completely dissuaded. Because all this looks trite and simple. In addition, he did not kill or surrender the Dutch to Pinkerton in the end.

[theseeker52]

Originally posted by S W I F T • L I G H T I N G:

Originally posted by Winchester:

This is a possible proof, but not direct. I believe that Micah originally worked for the O'driscolls, and they, in turn, made a deal with Pinkerton.

This is confirmed even by the fact that Micah in every possible way persuaded Dutch to come to negotiations with Colm and framed Arthur. Dutch himself hardly knew that Arthur was captured.

I also continue to believe that Miss O'Shea could also betray the Dutch, because there is no reason to trust Milton, because throughout the game he tried to manipulate the situation in his favor and push Arthur to completely destroy the gang with a rumor of betrayal Micah.

p.s. I would like to see an opinion on the other hand, which could justify the fact that he is not the only traitor, or his motives were not completely dissuaded. Because all this looks trite and simple. In addition, he did not kill or surrender the Dutch to Pinkerton in the end.

Good point ! One must not forget Arthur was specifically designated to be captured or betrayed by the O'Driscolls . Then , Dutch didn't check out what happened to the missing Arthur, at that point , the things Dutch said to Arthur seemed like he considered Arthur a threat to his gang leadership. So it wouldn't take a lot for Micah to turn his head. My point is are what are you concerned with on who betrayed who , as an individual or the gang as a whole ? It seems different people betrayed different people for unique reasons....

[󠁳⁧⁧ N1ght_Gu4rd]

Originally posted by S W I F T • L I G H T I N G:

Your guesses, gentlemen?

The fact that Mika was a traitor would be too simple, but this man did not even have a reliable reason to betray the Dutch. After all, even after all that happened, Dutch and Mika went to create a new gang of thugs.

You got that wrong. Micah in the mauntains says to John something like "lots of strange visitors today" he was refering to Dutch coming earlier what he didn't know was that Dutch came to kill him but was still doubtful. Dutch knew that Arthur was right but at the same time he wasn't sure if he wants to kill Micah so Micah thought that Dutch came to work with him again, that's why when John asks Dutch "what are you doing here" Dutch responds with "same as you I suppose" and in the end he shot Micah making it available for John to finish him.

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Originally posted by theseeker52:

I am concerned about some inconsistencies. For example, if Micah did not know some details or cases of robbery, then who reported the gang's plans to law enforcement agencies. Micah was normal for a long time and talked with Arthur. But I think that at the moment when he decided to give Arthur to Colm O'driscoll, this explained that Arthur was already a threat to Micah’s plans for the Dutch. Micah in one of the dialogues said that you need to get rid of all civilians in the gang and leave only those who can go "to robbery."

Given the things we know, let's imagine this: Micah agrees with the Pinkerton to work together after Guarma. After that, a handful of Pinkerton employees attacked a gang in the swamps. I do not quite understand how Milton could agree to informing in exchange for many murders of his subordinates.

Micah is a traitor to the same extent as the theory that Pinkerton always found a gang, because the information about the gang was reported by O'Driscoll - true. Enmity between the gangs immediately attracted attention from the very beginning of the game.

Although perhaps the Rockstar did not think through everything to the end; or cut out important points.

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Originally posted by NoLifeGamer111:

Taking the power of money as motivation, Micah could deal with Dutch after he get the gold. If Dutch understood that Micah was driven by personal motives and interests, then why did he go after him? - also not clear.
And yet now I go through the game again and read twice what the characters say. Apparently, I lost a lot of details from sight.

[󠁳⁧⁧ N1ght_Gu4rd]

Originally posted by S W I F T • L I G H T I N G:

If Dutch understood that Micah was driven by personal motives and interests, then why did he go after him? - also not clear.

Like I said Dutch finally understood that Micah was the rat or atleast one of the rats and Arthur wasn't, that is why he came after him. I believe that it was analyzed in a video on yt, I wouldn't be able to come to this conclusion myself but it sounds reasonable in my opinion.

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Originally posted by NoLifeGamer111:

That seems logical, thanks)

I will dig further, because this is the first game in a long time that provides real food for thought.

[Jaunitta 🌸]

https://reddead.fandom.com/wiki/Micah_Bell