What Happens if you Leave when someone steals your goods?

[Molvanîa!]

My friends and I were selling my goods, and a hacker killed all of us. We shot him what felt like dozens of times, his health went down but he wouldn't die. Eventually he stopped shooting us because it didn't matter to him. I was so frustrated with it that I left. Hours spent grinding completely down the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ drain. Literally nothing I could have done would have stopped him, he was unkillable. What happens to my goods? Does just no one get them? I've been too upset to check. I'm fine with a talented group of thieves taking my goods, at least giving a good fight, but some dude with a mod menu just doing it to ♥♥♥♥ me is too much. It makes me not want to bother with the game anymore really.

I know the game has a lot of anti-grief mechanics, is there anything in there that covers this at all? I am literally cheated out of my stuff otherwise.

[Molvanîa!]

I own the game through Rockstar's launcher, btw. Not a steam owner.

[Chanito]

If you didn't get the message of Mission Failed, you can sell again. Same thing happens if the buyers die in hands of npcs, you can sell again. You only lose your goods when it get destroyed or fully stolen. That's why you have to immediately close your game when you come across with griefers.

[Villain]

they get material added to their camp if they stole your wagon and finish the mission. stealing player's trader wagon good isn't even a griefing. it's actually encouraged by the game. I get a big fat red dot on mini map all the time tell me to go after the trader wagon but I never do because it's not worth it and I know trader role is tedious af and I don't wanna ruin some else's time. next time just do the delivery in solo lobby. 

here's how to get into solo lobby
1) make sure you have resupply mission available at camp
2) start any stranger mission with timer(bounty hunter also works) 
3) ignore the timed mission and go straight to your camp.
4) as soon as the timer runs out, start the resupply mission. it'll put you in a solo lobby

[Chanito]

Originally posted by Villain:

stealing player's trader wagon good isn't even a griefing

Stealing or destroying others cargo, is griefing. See it as you want, tell that to yourself to sleep better in the night, but is griefing.

Originally posted by Villain:

I get a big fat red dot on mini map all the time tell me to go after the trader wagon

You DON'T actually have to do everything the game says to do. Of course you have the option, but stealing the hard work made through hours from someone else, is being a douche, so if you're fine being a douche, keep your nice work. But hey, no tears later.

[ApNop]

Griefing is ok, its part of game, and there in no anti-griefing mechanic aside from honor loss. But here is anti hacker mechanic. If u got attacked by hacker dont leave before reporting him, dont fight him its useless, just report and leave. If you Alt-f4 or just change session, your goods will be back at camp. (works for trader, but not for moonshiner, moonshine batch lost when vagon is destroyed). Also, on local deliveries your vagon is safe from griefers.

[Tashnaladar]

now i want a vagon

[Mr.Softy]

Originally posted by Chanito:

Originally posted by Villain:

stealing player's trader wagon good isn't even a griefing

Stealing or destroying others cargo, is griefing. See it as you want, tell that to yourself to sleep better in the night, but is griefing.

Nope, it's not, if you choose to do a long distance delivery or a free-roam mission you have to play in offensive mode, and other players can rob you.
That is just part of the game, and people can go for that or not.
It all depends on how peaceful your session is.

Griefing is people that start assaulting you in free-roam for no reason, ram their horse into you to bump you out of defensive mode, and just being a general douche.

[Txmvs]

Originally posted by Villain:

they get material added to their camp if they stole your wagon and finish the mission. stealing player's trader wagon good isn't even a griefing. it's actually encouraged by the game. I get a big fat red dot on mini map all the time tell me to go after the trader wagon but I never do because it's not worth it and I know trader role is tedious af and I don't wanna ruin some else's time. next time just do the delivery in solo lobby. 

here's how to get into solo lobby
1) make sure you have resupply mission available at camp
2) start any stranger mission with timer(bounty hunter also works) 
3) ignore the timed mission and go straight to your camp.
4) as soon as the timer runs out, start the resupply mission. it'll put you in a solo lobby

If someone stole ur wagon u still can take another one as i know. And when other players steal ur trading wagon it's not griefing- it's gameplay. If u've choose the long way u should understand that u take a risk and other players can take ur wagon with force. If u take a long way solo- it's ur problem too, cause u didn't try to find some players who can help u and escort u from 1 to b point. What's the point to play rdr2 online if u go to solo session LOL. I don't understand meaningless griefers who blow ur moonshine wagon or killing people with no reason. But when some guy attack u on ur trade wagon- it's fun and both of u trying to save the wagon for urself. So trade steal is not actual griefing at all, dude.

[Txmvs]

Originally posted by Chanito:

Originally posted by Villain:

stealing player's trader wagon good isn't even a griefing

Stealing or destroying others cargo, is griefing. See it as you want, tell that to yourself to sleep better in the night, but is griefing.

Originally posted by Villain:

I get a big fat red dot on mini map all the time tell me to go after the trader wagon

You DON'T actually have to do everything the game says to do. Of course you have the option, but stealing the hard work made through hours from someone else, is being a douche, so if you're fine being a douche, keep your nice work. But hey, no tears later.

Stealing trader wagon can't be griefing beacuse the game itself agro other players to do it. Wake up u saying stupid things. When other players just blow ur trader or moonshine wagon- it's griefing cause griefers wanna just waste ur goods. But when other player(s) stealing ur trade wagon it's gameplay that has a point and stealer will get materials from it. So ur understanding of griefing is strange.

[Txmvs]

Originally posted by Chanito:

Originally posted by Villain:

stealing player's trader wagon good isn't even a griefing

Stealing or destroying others cargo, is griefing. See it as you want, tell that to yourself to sleep better in the night, but is griefing.

Originally posted by Villain:

I get a big fat red dot on mini map all the time tell me to go after the trader wagon

You DON'T actually have to do everything the game says to do. Of course you have the option, but stealing the hard work made through hours from someone else, is being a douche, so if you're fine being a douche, keep your nice work. But hey, no tears later.

If u have decided to take trade wagon solo with long way it's ur problem that u can't defend urself solo. It's often only 1 or 2 attackers that trying to steal ur wagon. If it's 3 or more payers that stealing ur wagon it's ur problem that u ddin't find teammates that can help u to defend ur wagon and escort u. When i travel solo in 90% cases i can defend my wagon even versus 2 attackers easy. I can't handle 3 n more players and i can't handle 2 players only if they highlevel as me and they know how to kill me with no chance. In other situations i can defend myself ez. So, if u know that other players can steal ur goods and u still go solo with long way- it's only ur problem and it's not griefing if they steal but not destroy ur wagon. U can't defend urself, u don't wanna find teammates or take short delivery way. And don't forget- rdr it's wild west at the end. How do u imagine peaceful wild west!?

[Chanito]

Originally posted by \Tomvs\:

Originally posted by Chanito:

Stealing or destroying others cargo, is griefing. See it as you want, tell that to yourself to sleep better in the night, but is griefing.



You DON'T actually have to do everything the game says to do. Of course you have the option, but stealing the hard work made through hours from someone else, is being a douche, so if you're fine being a douche, keep your nice work. But hey, no tears later.

If u have decided to take trade wagon solo with long way it's ur problem that u can't defend urself solo. It's often only 1 or 2 attackers that trying to steal ur wagon. If it's 3 or more payers that stealing ur wagon it's ur problem that u ddin't find teammates that can help u to defend ur wagon and escort u. When i travel solo in 90% cases i can defend my wagon even versus 2 attackers easy. I can't handle 3 n more players and i can't handle 2 players only if they highlevel as me and they know how to kill me with no chance. In other situations i can defend myself ez. So, if u know that other players can steal ur goods and u still go solo with long way- it's only ur problem and it's not griefing if they steal but not destroy ur wagon. U can't defend urself, u don't wanna find teammates or take short delivery way. And don't forget- rdr it's wild west at the end. How do u imagine peaceful wild west!?

Yeah sure griefer, whatever you say

[HachiRiko]

Originally posted by Chanito:

Originally posted by Villain:

stealing player's trader wagon good isn't even a griefing

Stealing or destroying others cargo, is griefing. See it as you want, tell that to yourself to sleep better in the night, but is griefing.

Originally posted by Villain:

I get a big fat red dot on mini map all the time tell me to go after the trader wagon

You DON'T actually have to do everything the game says to do. Of course you have the option, but stealing the hard work made through hours from someone else, is being a douche, so if you're fine being a douche, keep your nice work. But hey, no tears later.

you cherry picked what he said and ignored the fact he said he doesnt do that and was being informative.
right now you are being the douche

[introspXtion]

Originally posted by Chanito:

Stealing or destroying others cargo, is griefing. See it as you want, tell that to yourself to sleep better in the night, but is griefing.

You clearly have a choice to do the safer short route, but no, you decided to be greedy and do the risky long route, then cried about it when you got robbed. Clever.
I've never hijacked a delivery and I've been hijacked twice. The reason I don't sulk about the failed deliveries is because I'm not a fragile cupcake.

[Molvanîa!]

The only reason I had any issues at all was because my stuff was stolen by a hacker. I wouldn't have made this if my stuff got stolen by a normal player, because I would have killed him. I don't have any real issues with griefing, though I think it's distasteful to destroy someone else's cargo, and to bully low level players.

In my opinion, the most power is having every justification to kill, but then not killing. A man steals something, he's brought in before the Emperor, he throws himself down on the ground. He begs for his life, he knows he's going to die. And the Emperor... pardons him. This worthless man, he lets him go. That is power. Sometimes it's fun to toy with someone by tying him up in front of his own cart with the reinforced lasso, then just riding away. Giving mercy. I like doing that.

However it is a choice to do long distance delivery, you can't have your stuff destroyed on local ones, so there's the risk vs reward part of the game that makes it so fun to play.

Anyways, this thread has gotten really off topic. I sent the clip of the hacker stealing my stuff into Rockstar, and hopefully it gets dealt with. I got to keep my goods because I quit out, and I was able to sell my goods hacker free.

Maybe calm down a bit guys, it's only a game. No need to call each other names or be mad. Thanks for everyone that gave me answers to my question.

[Abyss_Walker]

I just wanted to say - this just happened to me, it said mission failed, the goods were stolen, but I'm still able to do another delivery. My stuff is back at camp when I joined a new session. Thank God, would be BS otherwise.