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WarMask 2019 年 12 月 6 日 上午 8:46
I'm not paying for full price
I'm sorry. But I'm a pure PC player. And I feel betrayed.
They made RDR1 on console only. Then RDR2 on console for years before releasing to PC. I'm not buying it at full price.

I've set the value for this game at 15$ or less.

And cherry on top, they made special and ultimate versions... I mean, shameless. Unequality in gaming.

So, I would like to start a group of Punishers to get back at developpers who act like that. They want money? Okay. We will deny them our money.

Is anyone feeling the same? If not, explain it. I'm really interested.

FYI: I did the same for GTA5. Waited a lot before buying the game. And I'm still unhappy about many aspects of the game that suffer from the console design.

I think that console gaming is inferior to PC gaming. Due to the limitations of the gaming platform, the controlers, the player communtiy etc... And I believe that game designed for console then ported to PC are awful. GTA5 is a good example of this.

Anyway... Who is with me?
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Citizen Sloth 2019 年 12 月 7 日 下午 9:59 
Unfortunately, the kids who don't know the value of money or care if publishers are screwing them over, will keep on buying these crap games at full price. They have created this market and now we have games that are still being sold at full price over a year after release.

It used to be a year later the game would be reduced to half price. That was back when full price was still $50. These kids have created the $60 price tag as well.

Out of my almost 200 game Steam library I have paid full price for exactly two games. The Witcher 2 and 3. Everything else I picked up on sale, some times, dirt cheap. Like Euro Truck Sim 2, which I bought for $3.74.

This game I was excited for until it released console only. A year later it finally comes to PC at full price. At this point, I have lost most of my interest in the game, it's already been a year and it will be quite a while before it goes on sale to $20, which is the most I would buy it for, now. Same thing for GTA V, it's been on sale but I lost interest waiting for the sale. I lost interest in the new Metro game once they pulled it from Steam to sell on Epic. It's a no buy for me, now. Same with Rebel Galaxy. No buy.

So, I figure I will probably never buy RDR2. Saves me a ton of money for real world things, I tell ya. Got a nice racing wheel setup, new hand gun for some real life 'pew pew', some chrome rims for my car. All with money I usually spend on PC games.

I used to get angry about it but now I just repurpose (yes Steam, this is a word) my money.
Nova 2019 年 12 月 7 日 下午 10:02 
引用自 Joker
Congrats... it's nobody by the way... nobody is with you. I don't mean 0 I guess... but only a tiny few, and nobody else gives a ♥♥♥♥. Look at the sales numbers and tell me how effective your boycott will be.....

Got PC sale numbers? Not being a ♥♥♥♥ jsut curious to see them
King1220 2019 年 12 月 8 日 上午 11:14 
引用自 WarMask
引用自 King1220
Actually it is normal for Rockstar do that for their games but at least they made a PC version of RDR2 and i dont really care how they do it because there are more important things to worry about than a damn video game. You're complaining about the price of the PC version but i bet you didnt complain about Rockstar charging $60 for the PC version of GTA V that includes their previous games.

The rest of your argument makes no sense because you have already the choice to not buy the damn game and save the $60 dollars or wait for a sale. No one is forcing you to buy the game in the first place. Clearly you live in a fantasy world if you think Rockstar is going to charge $15 for their 2nd most popular game.
You are missing the point completely.

Let me put it in simple words for you.

How to punish a game developper/publisher when they forget about your platform to care for an inferior platform where they can make an easy buck?

Is there a part you want to discuss in particular? If you don't agree with me on consoles being inferior platforms for gaming, that's another issue. If you want to discuss that, I'm ready for that too.

But do you have a better plan to "punish" (opposite of "to reward") these game makers for their choices?

It's very strange, everytime I speak about money, people are like "lol, you poor, if you don't have money, don't buy." Come on, people. Focus.

There are more console users than PC users that why AAA companies always cater to the bigger market which are console gamers, That been happening for decades. It doesnt matter that consoles have inferior hardware than PCs, As long the game the works without any performance issues and the sales are good. AAA games are normally console ports anyways

Again that doesnt change my point because i bet you wasnt complaining about the price of the PC/PS4/Xbox one version of GTA V which was $60 on launch as well. Instead of complaining about how game publishers are screwing over PC gamers just dont buy the game since you already play the hell out of the PS4 version or wait for a sale. Its not a dictatorship when you're not forced to buy a product.

Also let go of your PC elitism crap, Its immature and very dumb



DarkStarClassic 2019 年 12 月 8 日 上午 11:18 
引用自 WarMask
I'm sorry. But I'm a pure PC player. And I feel betrayed.
They made RDR1 on console only. Then RDR2 on console for years before releasing to PC. I'm not buying it at full price.

I've set the value for this game at 15$ or less.

And cherry on top, they made special and ultimate versions... I mean, shameless. Unequality in gaming.

So, I would like to start a group of Punishers to get back at developpers who act like that. They want money? Okay. We will deny them our money.

Is anyone feeling the same? If not, explain it. I'm really interested.

FYI: I did the same for GTA5. Waited a lot before buying the game. And I'm still unhappy about many aspects of the game that suffer from the console design.

I think that console gaming is inferior to PC gaming. Due to the limitations of the gaming platform, the controlers, the player communtiy etc... And I believe that game designed for console then ported to PC are awful. GTA5 is a good example of this.

Anyway... Who is with me?
100% agree i did the same with GTAV and came to the same conclusion(did you read my mind;)) now i wait maybe for a sales but it seems RDR2 is even worst console port then GTVA seems constrolls SUCKS and second launcher NAH I WON'T BUY.

5 EUROS MAYBE I'LL BUY?
Jim Eagle 2019 年 12 月 8 日 上午 11:28 
Stop being a crybaby and just admit that you're poor
WarMask 2019 年 12 月 8 日 下午 1:01 
引用自 King1220
There are more console users than PC users that why AAA companies always cater to the bigger market which are console gamers, That been happening for decades. It doesnt matter that consoles have inferior hardware than PCs, As long the game the works without any performance issues and the sales are good. AAA games are normally console ports anyways
Okay. But you are missing the point.

It's not just inferior hardware. It's also inferior values, inferior skills, inferior game-design etc...
The hardware performance is the tip of the iceberg. It's a bit like the difference between mobile gaming and console gaming. Console gamers don't care about their games. They don't do much research before playing, it's often free, often full of ads, they don't care... So the games are simple and dumb.

Well, you see the gap between console and mobile gaming? Well, there is a significant gap between PC and console gaming too. It's less obvious.

And of course, games that work on console can work on PC easily. And simple PC games can work on console too.

Cut the games into three "size" categories, small, average and big.
Small games can work on mobile, console and PC.
Average games can't work on mobile.
But is there a big game on console? I doubt that. Developing on console deny you access to "greatness". I can't define it accurately as I lack the necessary skills. But I know no great game on console.

GTA5 is a big game... But it's not. It's not state of the art, a lot of things are missing. Multiplayer is weak, physics are weak, the driving is weak, the flying is weak... But the game can be fun. And this is what it takes to reach a large audiance and sell millions of copies.

On PC, ARMA III is a big game. And it seems like they need more resources to reach their full potential. But they did so many great things with the limited resources they have. Like the penetration values for projectiles. Each projectile got a penetration value, speed, weight etc whatever... So you can use advanced tactics. If there is infantry behind a wall, you take a heave machin gun and mow them down.

And ARMA III can't work on console. And they will probably will never know success like any title from Rockstar. But they have my respect as they tried something ambitious.

Metal Gear Solid is a great game with a wonderful story. But it's not a great game. Many aspects are counter intuitive to let the game be playable.

Again that doesnt change my point because i bet you wasnt complaining about the price of the PC/PS4/Xbox one version of GTA V which was $60 on launch as well. Instead of complaining about how game publishers are screwing over PC gamers just dont buy the game since you already play the hell out of the PS4 version or wait for a sale. Its not a dictatorship when you're not forced to buy a product.
I don't remember, but I didn't pay full price for GTA5 neither. I waited for sales. I got it at 25$. But they released all the versions of GTA on PC.

Also let go of your PC elitism crap, Its immature and very dumb
Nah, it's true, and it's fun. I enjoy it and find it funny most of the time. Sorry bro, not stopping. Console peasants will have to sell their console, buy parts and build a PC.
So easy to join the Master Race.
WarMask 2019 年 12 月 8 日 下午 1:09 
引用自 Regulator
Stop being a crybaby and just admit that you're poor
yes, I'm relatively poor. They made billions with their games and they forgot about PC... I hate them for that.
Starbug 2019 年 12 月 8 日 下午 1:15 
One of these days people like you and the rest of the pc elitist crowd will eventually realise that playing on a machine capable of video editing and managing your financial affairs on a spreadsheet doesn't make you entitled to anything.
Scar 2019 年 12 月 8 日 下午 1:19 
$15 for this game? xD hahahahhahahaa , you must be new to gaming, this game is worth more than 15
WarMask 2019 年 12 月 8 日 下午 1:26 
引用自 Lexa's Flamekeeper
$15 for this game? xD hahahahhahahaa , you must be new to gaming, this game is worth more than 15
You must be new to using your brain. Because that's not the point. That was never the point.

I never said "this game isn't worth 60$" I said "I'm not paying full price because they forgot about PC in RDR1 and they made us wait."

They focus on the easy money on console. I'm not rewarding that. They hate PC because we are difficult customers? I will show them difficult customers.
Starbug 2019 年 12 月 8 日 下午 1:34 
引用自 Spawk
引用自 WarMask
You must be new to using your brain. Because that's not the point. That was never the point.

I never said "this game isn't worth 60$" I said "I'm not paying full price because they forgot about PC in RDR1 and they made us wait."

They focus on the easy money on console. I'm not rewarding that. They hate PC because we are difficult customers? I will show them difficult customers.
The entitlement...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGPYBb2DRsg

He's going to show them just how wrong it was to offend a pc nerd. They're getting his warface. A full magazine of hollow tipped impotent rage.
RasaNova 2019 年 12 月 8 日 下午 1:39 
引用自 WarMask
Okay. But you are missing the point.
It's really not that simple, they did not forget PC gamers, they just decided we weren't worth the hassle. (and posts on this forum seem to confirm that maybe it's true.) Sure, they could probably very easily port the game to PC, every PC in the world had the exact equivalent hardware & specs as xbox and/or PS4. But they need to do a LOT to make sure the game will actually run more or less on a very wide variety of machines. And on top of that, typically when porting to PC the games are enhanced in various ways. They didn't bother with RDR1, and and we can already see how much trouble they've had with a year to work on RDR2's PC release.

I actually agree that a lot of PC games are widely dumbed down for consoles (or, not dumbed down as much as just not taking advantage of what a PC could do) and THEN ported to PC. So even when they enhance a game for the PC port, it's still an enhanced console game. Yeah, it's unfortunate but that is how the gaming market works. There are still plenty of good games developed for PC for people who need that, but no amount of protest will stop console gamers from influencing the gaming industry like they are now.
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Varg 2019 年 12 月 8 日 下午 1:58 
Also... no matter how much you look at the hows and whys... remember, they are a business.
Their goal, is to make money. Releasing to consoles and wating a year to release on PC has definitely made them more cash than if they released on every platform at the same time.
Just in my workplace I know quite a few people, myself included, who has bought it twice.

Good grief, why do I even bother writing in this dumb thread. OP has his mind set and is utterly oblivious to marketing and reasoning just because he has an opinion.
I'm out.

Cheers.
RasaNova 2019 年 12 月 8 日 下午 2:13 
引用自 WarMask
引用自 Lexa's Flamekeeper
$15 for this game? xD hahahahhahahaa , you must be new to gaming, this game is worth more than 15
You must be new to using your brain. Because that's not the point. That was never the point.

I never said "this game isn't worth 60$" I said "I'm not paying full price because they forgot about PC in RDR1 and they made us wait."

They focus on the easy money on console. I'm not rewarding that. They hate PC because we are difficult customers? I will show them difficult customers.
When you say "I've set the value for this game to $15 or less" don't be surprised when people assume you don't think the value of the game isn't $60...

My personal opinion is that I now agree, but not because of the dev's business decisions. I bought it, installed it, played for an hour, then had some issues I could not resolve that kept me from continuing so I refunded it. To me, it's not worth $60, it's worth 0 but I'll check it out again some time in the future. After some stability improvements, or maybe when I upgrade my rig it might be worth $60 to me again, and who knows by then I might even be able to get it for less.

But I don't feel like a victim. I did the research, took my chances, and dealt with the outcome. Sure I feel disappointed but not cheated, and I don't hold Rockstar guilty of anything other than being a for-profit PC game publisher.
WarMask 2019 年 12 月 8 日 下午 2:35 
引用自 Spawk
Entitlment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGPYBb2DRsg
Customer is king in my world.

So... Yeah... As a customer, I feel entitled. Sue me.

In my world a customer holds the power. In fact, in my business, I refund customers if I don't reach the objectives we have set in the beginning. 100% satisfied or I work for free and lose time and money.

Customer is like a king. You don't mess with him. You give him the best you can do and we will see about profits laters.

We can't lose ground like that. Either things are getting better or they are getting worse. Two directions. And right now, they care more about money than about making a good game. This is a problem.
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