Max damage vs max defense

[Mr.Softy]

I can't recommend this guy's videos enough.

OnlyPVPCat properly tests everything, doesn't sugarcoat overpowered stuff, and teaches you why some people appear soooo invincible.

So, this here should be a mandatory watch for everyone who goes after a guy with max defense setup and lvl3 tonics, and himself uses Paint it Black and 3(!) dead eye cards, so you never run out of "easy aim dead eye"- mode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZzot84WCcc

If almost max damage card setups need multiple bodyshots with a rolling block rifle and express ammo against max defense setup and defensive mode - what are players gonna do that simply don't have the best cards unlocked yet?

It seems players are confused, because they played more traditional shooters, where it's not about the best abilities, but the best guns.

They think everyone should have a fair chance in a fight, yet they still all cry about the camper with the AWP.

Now, I don't play World of Warcraft or something like that, but I guess you wouldn't try to attack the level 137 Paladin with the huge sword as a level 5 unicorn tamer or whatever.

The "game" revolves around the ability cards, once you have them all and on level 3.
"I use this to get a little more damage with my carcano, so I can one shot kill them with a body hit!"
The next guy might be like "I use this defense card, so I don't get killed instantly with x weapon!"

So, dear players who think free roam is a free-for-all deathmatch, you can try and play that way.
As the aggressor you will always have a disadvantage, and depending on "what's in the cards", your results may vary.

[DaHighestLife]

Originally posted by Mr.Softy:

I can't recommend this guy's videos enough.

OnlyPVPCat properly tests everything, doesn't sugarcoat overpowered stuff, and teaches you why some people appear soooo invincible.

So, this here should be a mandatory watch for everyone who goes after a guy with max defense setup and lvl3 tonics, and himself uses Paint it Black and 3(!) dead eye cards, so you never run out of "easy aim dead eye"- mode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZzot84WCcc

If almost max damage card setups need multiple bodyshots with a rolling block rifle and express ammo against max defense setup and defensive mode - what are players gonna do that simply don't have the best cards unlocked yet?

It seems players are confused, because they played more traditional shooters, where it's not about the best abilities, but the best guns.

They think everyone should have a fair chance in a fight, yet they still all cry about the camper with the AWP.

Now, I don't play World of Warcraft or something like that, but I guess you wouldn't try to attack the level 137 Paladin with the huge sword as a level 5 unicorn tamer or whatever.

The "game" revolves around the ability cards, once you have them all and on level 3.
"I use this to get a little more damage with my carcano, so I can one shot kill them with a body hit!"
The next guy might be like "I use this defense card, so I don't get killed instantly with x weapon!"

So, dear players who think free roam is a free-for-all deathmatch, you can try and play that way.
As the aggressor you will always have a disadvantage, and depending on "what's in the cards", your results may vary.

No ♥♥♥♥ sherlock. Tell us something we don't know.

[DaHighestLife]

Originally posted by ZERO KAY PER CENT:

oh boy, in reality i can be aggressor against defensive noobs ez. There are a few ways you can remove the defensive mode from them.

Sure you do, we all know you are full of crap.

[Mr.Softy]

Originally posted by ZERO KAY PER CENT:

oh boy, in reality i can be aggressor against defensive noobs ez. There are a few ways you can remove the defensive mode from them.

Yeah, you are one of the more advanced griefers then.

You know how to exploit "bugs" to kick them out of defensive mode, things not intended to be in the game the way they are right now.

With that mindset, like "I have to find a trick to remove their protection, so I can ruin their game better.", it's probably not the right game to play.

Don't get me wrong, if people are up to the whole rival missions sabotage, stealing goods and all that, sure, have at it.

But some people just want to ride around and grab collectibles, or do PvE co-op missions with friends.

Why can't you leave guys like this alone?

They clearly don't want to participate in "your" game and spend their time in this beautiful game with people just harrassing them.

And going the extra mile to find workarounds to take away the only protection the game gives these people, that's where the buck stops, and abusive behavior reports are totally justified.

If the different series in the quick join thing were more ordered, or you could actually choose to only play team death match, or enemy territory, whatever these modes are called, people could have all the PvP they want, right there.

In free roam events like Master Archer, Longarm Kills Challenge, Fool's Gold, etc - I'm one of the meanest bastards on the playing field, anything goes there.

But in free roam one should act civilized towards other real people that want to enjoy their way.

And if more average players know about what you can do with the right ability cards, the whole griefing thing wouldn't be as much fun anymore.

[FakinPeasant]

why the fak is so much talk about cards in terms of the "best" setup.... there is not such thing... for example i dont like to use tonics and waste time craft and search them so i use 1 deadeye regen card, 2 damage card and paint it black.. everyone can switch them in the middle of fight... so there is no problem about ballancing.... the only problem is when very low rank plays against very high rank.... although you can have very high rank and very few pvp matches....
They need to find a way to ballance matches gathering same stats players like match won rate, for example if you put in a match only winners.... there will be rape...

[Mr.Softy]

Originally posted by AnalError:

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Have you actually watched the video, and understood what this implies?

And we are not talking "matches" here.
That whole Series and Quick Join feature is totally flawed in any other way too.
You can't pick only the modes you want, the game forces you to play modes you don't like or quit, and there surely is no matchmaking based on player levels.

Player levels don't mean anything, except access to better stuff.
I could just play PvE, or go collecting, avoid PvP combat at all costs, and still reach the higher 100+ levels.
Such player could also spend all his money on fancy outfits and horses, but never put a single dollar into high tier ability cards.
So that number doesn't mean much.

People like you, judging from your post, are always looking for "matches", meaningless stuff like kill death ratio is important to them.
Those people need a good Series lobby, for all kinds of modes they can pick.
I can see that part about red dead online, what's attractive about it, the competition, payback, etc.

But then there are other people, who enjoy exploring the world, hunting the perfect cougar, grabbing collectibles, playing events like trade route or salvage, and they have no interest in some digital old western style genitals measuring contest.

The problems arise when these two groups of people meet in a free roam open world environment.
If there wasn't defensive mode anybody who's not super hostile would be just a victim for people who look for "matches" where there aren't any.

[Eisbär]

Originally posted by ZERO KAY PER CENT:

cause I can.

A proud piece of excrement. How crappy is your life if you get enjoyment out of ruining other people's fun?

[Argstein]

Originally posted by Eisbär:

Originally posted by ZERO KAY PER CENT:

cause I can.

A proud piece of excrement. How crappy is your life if you get enjoyment out of ruining other people's fun?

hey they're not alone. a lot of us PvPrs like to grief randos. thx.


@TC: i go max damage but no one needs online guides to figure out what cards they want to use... i didn't.... albiet some have confusing wording, but not the ones i use (focus fire & the rest yellows)