The more you know, the worse it gets... [SPOILERS]

[DaddyJokee]

So I just learned that it was Micah's fault in Blackwater. I must not have been paying attention, but apparently at some point Hosea talks about how they had a plan in Blackwater, but then Micah turned Dutch onto the ferry and it all went to ♥♥♥♥.

This is literally making me grind my teeth. I hate the story so much! Like, I loved playing it, but after having played it and finishing it I am in so much emotional distress over how everything is Micah's fault, and how he doesn't even get killed until like 8 years later!

[Aurelius Phoenix]

Piecing Together The Black Water Massacre video?

[Go0lden_Archer]

Originally posted by MrJokee:

So I just learned that it was Micah's fault in Blackwater. I must not have been paying attention, but apparently at some point Hosea talks about how they had a plan in Blackwater, but then Micah turned Dutch onto the ferry and it all went to ♥♥♥♥.

This is literally making me grind my teeth. I hate the story so much! Like, I loved playing it, but after having played it and finishing it I am in so much emotional distress over how everything is Micah's fault, and how he doesn't even get killed until like 8 years later!

You payed little attention then, or didnt read Arthur's journal at all, but yeah. Micah was a cause behind Blackwater, and then again it's Micah who rat them in Chapter 6

[DaddyJokee]

Originally posted by Aurelius Phoenix:

Piecing Together The Black Water Massacre video?

I think it was a video of all the voice actors for each of the characters, and the guy who played Hosea was saying that part in the video.

Originally posted by Go0lden_Archer:

Originally posted by MrJokee:

So I just learned that it was Micah's fault in Blackwater. I must not have been paying attention, but apparently at some point Hosea talks about how they had a plan in Blackwater, but then Micah turned Dutch onto the ferry and it all went to ♥♥♥♥.

This is literally making me grind my teeth. I hate the story so much! Like, I loved playing it, but after having played it and finishing it I am in so much emotional distress over how everything is Micah's fault, and how he doesn't even get killed until like 8 years later!

You payed little attention then, or didnt read Arthur's journal at all, but yeah. Micah was a cause behind Blackwater, and then again it's Micah who rat them in Chapter 6

That's the thing, I was listening but must have missed that one. And then you know it was Micah who ratted out the bank robbery in Saint Denis, and who led Milton onto the camp near Rhodes, and who brought them with to the camp at Lagras, and who somehow got in with Dutch who turned all crazy and hostile, and just...It is SO aggravating that you don't get to put a bullet in him. Or even better, leave his ass to hang in Strawberry.

[Azrael]

Two cases, where killing would've solved every problem: Killing Micah early and killing the damn TB guy instead of beating him up.

The gang would've been more succesful and Arthur would've lived to see it.

Praise to Alexander Fleming for inventing Penicilin and antibiotics, although that came decades too late for poor Arthur.

[DaddyJokee]

Originally posted by Azrael:

Two cases, where killing would've solved every problem: Killing Micah early and killing the damn TB guy instead of beating him up.

The gang would've been more succesful and Arthur would've lived to see it.

Praise to Alexander Fleming for inventing Penicilin and antibiotics, although that came decades too late for poor Arthur.

Wait, which TB guy? I was wondering where I contracted TB.

[Uhzu]

During the middle stage of the game they were actually going to have that mission but unfortunately it was cut due to their tight schedule. There are bits of it in the game files and Arthur voice files of him in new Austin. People put together that there was a camp before the snow area where it was like a tutorial area before you did the mission. You can still compete side missions as Arthur in new Austin like it was suppose to happen.

[Uhzu]

Originally posted by MrJokee:

Originally posted by Azrael:

Two cases, where killing would've solved every problem: Killing Micah early and killing the damn TB guy instead of beating him up.

The gang would've been more succesful and Arthur would've lived to see it.

Praise to Alexander Fleming for inventing Penicilin and antibiotics, although that came decades too late for poor Arthur.

Wait, which TB guy? I was wondering where I contracted TB.

Mr. Downes. The sick guy you collect money from.

[DaddyJokee]

Originally posted by Uhzu:

During the middle stage of the game they were actually going to have that mission but unfortunately it was cut due to their tight schedule. There are bits of it in the game files and Arthur voice files of him in new Austin. People put together that there was a camp before the snow area where it was like a tutorial area before you did the mission. You can still compete side missions as Arthur in new Austin like it was suppose to happen.

Oh really? I was wondering why there was a 1/4th of the map inaccessible for the whole game. nice! I'm gonna go look that up.

[Azrael]

Originally posted by MrJokee:

Originally posted by Azrael:

Two cases, where killing would've solved every problem: Killing Micah early and killing the damn TB guy instead of beating him up.

The gang would've been more succesful and Arthur would've lived to see it.

Praise to Alexander Fleming for inventing Penicilin and antibiotics, although that came decades too late for poor Arthur.

Wait, which TB guy? I was wondering where I contracted TB.

The German Old Guy in the Camp, can't remember his name, who issues you the quests to collect debts, in Chapter 2 he sends you to collect debts from a "do gooder", the same that stops the fight between you and the big muscle guy in Valentine.

You have to beat him up in that debt collection mission and at the end of the fight, Arthur presses him against a fence and he is coughing and spitting into the face of Arthur, thus infecting him with TB.

Later on that guy dies offscreen, his wife holds you responsible for it (well beating up a guy with TB surely doesn't help that guy) and she also comments on Arthur, when you later meet her, that he looks like her gone Husband.

[Uhzu]

https://youtu.be/f1MhSVeL8Xw

[DaddyJokee]

Originally posted by Azrael:

Originally posted by MrJokee:

Wait, which TB guy? I was wondering where I contracted TB.

The German Old Guy in the Camp, can't remember his name, who issues you the quests to collect debts, in Chapter 2 he sends you to collect debts from a "do gooder", the same that stops the fight between you and the big muscle guy in Valentine.

You have to beat him up in that debt collection mission and at the end of the fight, Arthur presses him against a fence and he is coughing and spitting into the face of Arthur, thus infecting him with TB.

Later on that guy dies offscreen, his wife holds you responsible for it (well beating up a guy with TB surely doesn't help that guy) and she also comments on Arthur, when you later meet her, that he looks like her gone Husband.

Ye, that's what I thought happened. I thought the Strauss missions were side quests though. Realizing now that R* games don't usually let you move on unless you complete all missions they need you to complete.

[Azrael]

Originally posted by MrJokee:

Originally posted by Azrael:

The German Old Guy in the Camp, can't remember his name, who issues you the quests to collect debts, in Chapter 2 he sends you to collect debts from a "do gooder", the same that stops the fight between you and the big muscle guy in Valentine.

You have to beat him up in that debt collection mission and at the end of the fight, Arthur presses him against a fence and he is coughing and spitting into the face of Arthur, thus infecting him with TB.

Later on that guy dies offscreen, his wife holds you responsible for it (well beating up a guy with TB surely doesn't help that guy) and she also comments on Arthur, when you later meet her, that he looks like her gone Husband.

Ye, that's what I thought happened. I thought the Strauss missions were side quests though. Realizing now that R* games don't usually let you move on unless you complete all missions they need you to complete.

MOST of them.
In Chapter 2, this mission is a Story Mission required to be completed to progress, it is thus marked as yellow, not as white as the side missions.

[DaddyJokee]

Originally posted by Azrael:

Originally posted by MrJokee:

Ye, that's what I thought happened. I thought the Strauss missions were side quests though. Realizing now that R* games don't usually let you move on unless you complete all missions they need you to complete.

MOST of them.
In Chapter 2, this mission is a Story Mission required to be completed to progress, it is thus marked as yellow, not as white as the side missions.

Cheeky bastards, making sure you contract TB :D

[Azrael]

Originally posted by MrJokee:

Originally posted by Azrael:

MOST of them.
In Chapter 2, this mission is a Story Mission required to be completed to progress, it is thus marked as yellow, not as white as the side missions.

Cheeky bastards, making sure you contract TB :D

Yep, hence why the people say, that you don't shape the story in Red Dead but live through it and imho it's fine, since it's fit.

Back in RDR1 the protagonist, John Marston, also died, so it kind of is a tradition.

If rumors are true that they alrdy started development of RDR3, I'm wondering, who would be the protagonist there.
Maybe someone mentioned in diaries and stuff in RDR2, a person not seen in that game, that died before the events of RDR2 started, maybe one of the people who died in the Blackwater Massacre, so, if they keep the trend to go back in time so it stays a Western Game Franchise, you'd get to see the gang before Blackwater e.g. the young days of Arthur but he is an NPC then and you play someone else.

[DaddyJokee]

Originally posted by Azrael:

Originally posted by MrJokee:

Cheeky bastards, making sure you contract TB :D

Yep, hence why the people say, that you don't shape the story in Red Dead but live through it and imho it's fine, since it's fit.

Back in RDR1 the protagonist, John Marston, also died, so it kind of is a tradition.

If rumors are true that they alrdy started development of RDR3, I'm wondering, who would be the protagonist there.
Maybe someone mentioned in diaries and stuff in RDR2, a person not seen in that game, that died before the events of RDR2 started, maybe one of the people who died in the Blackwater Massacre, so, if they keep the trend to go back in time so it stays a Western Game Franchise, you'd get to see the gang before Blackwater e.g. the young days of Arthur but he is an NPC then and you play someone else.

And I'm fine with not shaping, but living. It just... I don't know. At around the point where you flee to Shady Belle, it became increasingly difficult to play the game from the point of the story for me, because at every point I thought, ♥♥♥♥! Somebody's snitching! DUTCH! Do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SOMETHING! Stop hiding! Stop being a ♥♥♥♥! And it kept getting worse and worse. :D