Is it possible to neutralize without killing in stealth ?

[Delicia Suprema]

If not then this game has serious problems about the good/bad slider. Like in 1 mission theres like 200 dudes and im facking alone, i cant even stealth it properly because its impossible.

[Nazara]

Yes.

[Delicia Suprema]

Originally posted by Nazara:

Yes.

Great answer without actually answering.

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Not as far as i know. Did you try Lock on + left mouse button unarmed? personally i always go for the kill anyways

This game is seriously confused as to whether or not it actually wanted you to have real choices or not in the morality department.

Feels like an element that was tacked on as an afterthought as it doesn't seem to impact gameplay AT ALL save for an occasional comment from other characters, and often times if you try to roleplay certain good actions the game just treats you like a criminal.

one example would be when you try and bring in a bad guy you caught doing evil in the world and bring him into the sheriffs office and the entire town starts shooting you for "kidnapping"

[Eminem]

Knock them out, lasso and tie them up? Or you just lasso them.

This Story or Online? I keep getting DC'ed in online so gave up on that portion of the game but for Wanted Alive bounties that's all I do and had never had any issues of accidental kills.

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What do you want, a blow dart? This isnt Metal Gear..

[Delicia Suprema]

Originally posted by soge99:

Knock them out, lasso and tie them up? Or you just lasso them.

This Story or Online? I keep getting DC'ed in online so gave up on that portion of the game but for Wanted Alive bounties that's all I do and had never had any issues of accidental kills.

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[Delicia Suprema]

Originally posted by Rogue Wolf:

Not as far as i know. Did you try Lock on + left mouse button unarmed? personally i always go for the kill anyways

This game is seriously confused as to whether or not it actually wanted you to have real choices or not in the morality department.

Feels like an element that was tacked on as an afterthought as it doesn't seem to impact gameplay AT ALL save for an occasional comment from other characters, and often times if you try to roleplay certain good actions the game just treats you like a criminal.

one example would be when you try and bring in a bad guy you caught doing evil in the world and bring him into the sheriffs office and the entire town starts shooting you for "kidnapping"

With bare hands ? It kills instantly.

[Delicia Suprema]

To give you more idea what my problem is. Its the train mission from john marston. Trying to rob a oil wagon. However there's plenty of guys there. so i tried stealth but it appears that doesn't work well in this game because any civilian can see up to 200 meters away me killing someone. You know what shet happens later.

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Technically you can "knock out" people, but it counts as a kill unless there is a scripted sequence to have the character be knocked out.

All you gotta do is stealth kill someone with your bare hands.

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Originally posted by Delicia Suprema:

To give you more idea what my problem is. Its the train mission from john marston. Trying to rob a oil wagon. However there's plenty of guys there. so i tried stealth but it appears that doesn't work well in this game because any civilian can see up to 200 meters away me killing someone. You know what shet happens later.

Ohhh, I remember this mission and it was irritating. I think in the end you do your best to kill as few people as you can until you get on the oil cart and make a run for it.

I remember ttrying to sneak, and then use throwing knives but it didnt seem to matter because the NPCS would instant notice any deaths.

Seriously just get as close as you can to the flank with two guards, plug all guards in dead eye with a repeater and hope on the cart and make a run for it. Be super quick gunning down pursuers as the oil wagon can explode.

youre like me and trying to approach the mission realistically - don't haha. Just smash and grab

[Delicia Suprema]

Originally posted by Rogue Wolf:

Originally posted by Delicia Suprema:

To give you more idea what my problem is. Its the train mission from john marston. Trying to rob a oil wagon. However there's plenty of guys there. so i tried stealth but it appears that doesn't work well in this game because any civilian can see up to 200 meters away me killing someone. You know what shet happens later.

Ohhh, I remember this mission and it was irritating. I think in the end you do your best to kill as few people as you can until you get on the oil cart and make a run for it.

I remember ttrying to sneak, and then use throwing knives but it didnt seem to matter because the NPCS would instant notice any deaths.

Seriously just get as close as you can to the flank with two guards, plug all guards in dead eye with a repeater and hope on the cart and make a run for it. Be super quick gunning down pursuers as the oil wagon can explode.

youre like me and trying to approach the mission realistically - don't haha. Just smash and grab

I'm really disappointed with this. And i found out that's even worst. If you kill stealth you get bad points (lets call it that way...) But when on the oil wagon i could murder everyone and no bad points at all....... That makes sense game designer....

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Beat them up. They are knocked out and not dead and you know that because when you aim your weapon at them the reticle turns red.

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Originally posted by Rogue Wolf:

Not as far as i know. Did you try Lock on + left mouse button unarmed? personally i always go for the kill anyways

This game is seriously confused as to whether or not it actually wanted you to have real choices or not in the morality department.

Feels like an element that was tacked on as an afterthought as it doesn't seem to impact gameplay AT ALL save for an occasional comment from other characters, and often times if you try to roleplay certain good actions the game just treats you like a criminal.

one example would be when you try and bring in a bad guy you caught doing evil in the world and bring him into the sheriffs office and the entire town starts shooting you for "kidnapping"

RDR's "morality system" was the same way. It's not about being good or bad, it's about being honorable v dishonorable. Certain acts, i.e looting a body, killing an unarmed person, kidnapping, etc is seen as dishonorable whereas donating to the camp, being social and polite, treating folk and animals with respect is seen as honorable. Based on morality, you can be pure "evil," but still act honorably/be a morally good person but be dishonorable and disliked because of it.

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Originally posted by Y'vvel:

Originally posted by Rogue Wolf:

Not as far as i know. Did you try Lock on + left mouse button unarmed? personally i always go for the kill anyways

This game is seriously confused as to whether or not it actually wanted you to have real choices or not in the morality department.

Feels like an element that was tacked on as an afterthought as it doesn't seem to impact gameplay AT ALL save for an occasional comment from other characters, and often times if you try to roleplay certain good actions the game just treats you like a criminal.

one example would be when you try and bring in a bad guy you caught doing evil in the world and bring him into the sheriffs office and the entire town starts shooting you for "kidnapping"

RDR's "morality system" was the same way. It's not about being good or bad, it's about being honorable v dishonorable. Certain acts, i.e looting a body, killing an unarmed person, kidnapping, etc is seen as dishonorable whereas donating to the camp, being social and polite, treating folk and animals with respect is seen as honorable. Based on morality, you can be pure "evil," but still act honorably/be a morally good person but be dishonorable and disliked because of it.

I can genuinely appreciate what you're saying, but this feels like a semantics argument that is a little too nuanced for the developers on this one. I really like this game, but it feels more evident to me that this system was just kind of tacked on because developers felt like it should be there.

For one, there's actually very little consequence or change as result of full dishonor.

another issue i have is a lot of actions still have grey area - a woman can literally dive in front of your horse and that's seen as dishonorable....yet ignoring a woman who has clearly been beaten and abducted on horseback produces no dishonor. while leaving a man to die trapped in his own bear trap DOES produce dishonor.

Whether or not the goal posts shift from "morality" to "honor", it still seems inconsistent and has little impact on the world around you.

Originally posted by Delicia Suprema:

Originally posted by Rogue Wolf:

Ohhh, I remember this mission and it was irritating. I think in the end you do your best to kill as few people as you can until you get on the oil cart and make a run for it.

I remember ttrying to sneak, and then use throwing knives but it didnt seem to matter because the NPCS would instant notice any deaths.

Seriously just get as close as you can to the flank with two guards, plug all guards in dead eye with a repeater and hope on the cart and make a run for it. Be super quick gunning down pursuers as the oil wagon can explode.

youre like me and trying to approach the mission realistically - don't haha. Just smash and grab

I'm really disappointed with this. And i found out that's even worst. If you kill stealth you get bad points (lets call it that way...) But when on the oil wagon i could murder everyone and no bad points at all....... That makes sense game designer....

Haha did you finally make it through brother?

[Delicia Suprema]

Originally posted by Komamon:

Beat them up. They are knocked out and not dead and you know that because when you aim your weapon at them the reticle turns red.

When i beat someone they have the x mark on the map. Which means that they are DEAD...