nice "animations" you got there

[ecco_]

soooooooo impressive you guys managed to make ALL of them ON YOUR OWN, right?

[Larutan83]

Cipher Stormwolf eredeti hozzászólása:

Posenpaul eredeti hozzászólása:

Can anyone explain to me how you can steal an animation with two games based on completly different engines?
Sure, you can recreate it, maybe near to exact identical, but can you actually steal it. (code, asset or something)
This is a honest question, regarding the technical stuff.

Further I ask myself if you can declare ownership on an animation itself? You can declare only ownership of the code, the asset, something like that, right?

And if you can declare on the animation itself, the look of it, then we will have big problems, because every second game has stolen something from games before. xD

Well you own that animation, the one you made, if someone makes one themselves that is very similar if not the same its not theft. But ripping the file and using in your own game sure is.

You make it sound like only the full game is copyrighted and if I steal all the animations and textures and whatnot one at a time then I am fine. I hope you didnt mean to say that...

No, I just want to point out that all these youtubers and scoial media stuff is talking about a thievery/stealing like there was actual code thievery.
Actually we don't know if they rebuilt this animation from scratch or maybe it's an animation pack the bought and licensed and From Software did the same. It's not the first time we see the same animations in different games coming from a package that's sold in the store.
We just don't know at this time. And because we don't know I hate that everyone is talking about a "confirmed" stealing.

If this animation is original made by From Software and they rebuilt it from scratch in their game I'm not ok with it and not ok that they have done it frame by frame. Get inspired is ok, but you should give it your own touch then, right?

[Cipher Stormwolf]

GloriousZote eredeti hozzászólása:

dna eredeti hozzászólása:

Then you can use one of the dozen existing threads instead of flooding the forum here?

Or grow some gray matter and ask yourself the question how you "can steal an asset" from a different engine.

By copying everything from it.

You can use the files from one game in another if you know how. It is not hard. Just fyi!

[Vell]

dna eredeti hozzászólása:

GloriousZote eredeti hozzászólása:

What a stupid retort, you're allowed to criticize games, you know.

Then you can use one of the dozen existing threads instead of flooding the forum here?

Or grow some gray matter and ask yourself the question how you "can steal an asset" from a different engine.

You "can steal assets" from a different engine because assets have nothing to do with the engine. Never seen any skyrim mods? Or mods for pretty much any game ever? People import models, animations, textures, pretty much anything from all different kind of games into whatever they like all the time, its one of the easiest things to do.

[it's a gabe]

GloriousZote eredeti hozzászólása:

it's a gabe eredeti hozzászólása:

Well, yes and no. Yes, you are right. But the way y'all are going about it can only go so far. There was a thread in... 4chan, is it? Which is already reason enough for most major outlets to turn a blind eye. Then some images were uploaded to Imgur. Only one of them looks damning, the other looks plausible (would've been nice to have a side-by-side), and the rest are not even in-game footage, so that could be anything.

Here's what I'd do: flood a writer or editor from a website such as Kotaku or Polygon with the evidence, remind them that the game was highlighter by IGN, and let them go to town. Those people have the resources to do more than antagonistic threads and dubious comparisons in dubious websites.

I can tell you the forum posts help deter people such as myself from buying the game.

If they look at the forums. I've met people who don't and then they're caught by surprise.

Well. As much as I'm enjoying it despite the jankiness, I'm also very interested to see how this pans out. I'm sure there'll be several videos popping out over the week if all this holds any water.

[GloriousZote]

Cipher Stormwolf eredeti hozzászólása:

GloriousZote eredeti hozzászólása:

By copying everything from it.

You can use the files from one game in another if you know how. It is not hard. Just fyi!

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

[SwiftDeath]

Backseat game devs on their way to be lawyers after spotting a similar animation in another game

[Redwater]

lmfao how do you wake up in the morning and not hate yourself for this silly comment op?

[Deehn]

they posted links and explanation on the game discord - there nothing stolen but the point of these thread is to paint the game in a bad light.

People could just get response from the dev directly instead, as extensively answered and posted on their discord.

Dev statement
"@everyone People are also talking about stolen assets a lot so a few things to understand:

1) We're always been transparent about using the Epic Marketplace for animations that are good and fit our theme (the rest I made - we just needed more variety and I'm not an animator by trade, I had to learn for this game) - the link to the main one getting flack I will put at the end, you can buy it yourself, and try making Bleak Faith yourself too!

2) Fromsoftware outsources a lot of their art in all of the games you love, if you look around you will find they BUY hundreds of art assets from other companies as well, and also reuse those assets because a lot of that is not INHOUSE - Meaning they can't wake animations on the fly, they have to work with the many companies they hire to make their work. I'm sorry to burst your bubble if you thought Miyazaki himself makes everything, or the 200-300 employees they have make everything. They have thousands of contracted artists from around the world that they buy things from. So remember that when comparing our own quality to Elden Ring, maybe that puts into context what 3 developers really means.

3) The only other things from the Epic Marketplace that I use is for generic VFX that was a waste of time to make since I'd make things that looked virtually the same anyway, and things that are so generic (like some rocks) that didn't require artistic direction. THE ENTIRE WORLD was built by hand. So about 10% of the art is outsourced, whereas AAA companies outsource about 70% of their art (since they have the budget, we don't have that option and so any idea we have needs to be made in-house). Same goes for our trailers, you guys love them, and they are all made by 2 people. My brother and myself. ALL AAA companies outsource their promotional work to other companies. Keep that in mind as well.

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/profile/PersiaNinja?count=20&sortBy=effectiveDate&sortDir=DESC&start=0

Another additional thing, Rotoscoping is a technique in animation where you trace other movement (animations, videos, anything). If timings overlap in an animation on completely separate rigs, that's not something you can copyright easily and mostly not worth trying to do. If you find animations that are similar, on completely separate rigs and skeletons, it's more than likely rotoscoping is involved as a method of tracing. You can't just trace a brand logo and use it as your own, but you can trace a lot of things and those things do become your own.

A lot of anime you love rotoscopes famous scenes from film and media to similar effects. I'm posting all of this so that I don't need to repeat myself in general "