Gender Swap rubbish

[Greco Arts]

Whats this fascination studios have with gender swapping, race swapping etc. Whats next? This won't be DUNE it will be a pretender. Why not just release a game without the title Dune? Why wreck the franchise?

[markelphoenix]

I am going to assume this isn't just trolling....Gender swap is effectively a McGuffin to allow for a narrative for players to play in, given that the story of Paul Atreides and everything that came from him has been told extensively.

This is a fairly creative way leveraging the lore to create a splinter universe in timeline to carry forward the setting and allow player factions and autonomy in a MMO.

[Greco Arts]

Originally posted by markelphoenix:

I am going to assume this isn't just trolling....Gender swap is effectively a McGuffin to allow for a narrative for players to play in, given that the story of Paul Atreides and everything that came from him has been told extensively.

This is a fairly creative way leveraging the lore to create a splinter universe in timeline to carry forward the setting and allow player factions and autonomy in a MMO.

No I am not trolling, this could still have been done without the gender swapping! there seems there is a virus going around at the moment with gender swapping everyone and sometimes race swapping...it's tiresome...I won't bother with this. You telling me that just creating a game with the original male charter wouldn't have worked? RUBBISH !!! It's how it used be be done before everyone started to gender swap the roles!

[Chroniver]

What gender swap are you even talking about? This is a parallel universe if Jessica birthed a girl like she was ordered to, that's it.

They've always said that it's gonna be a parallel universe and I'm glad for it if they're not making a story driven game.

[Greco Arts]

Originally posted by Chroniver:

What gender swap are you even talking about? This is a parallel universe if Jessica birthed a girl like she was ordered to, that's it.

They've always said that it's gonna be a parallel universe and I'm glad for it if they're not making a story driven game.

parallel universe!!!!! wow that's not been done before !!! lets make it a parallel universe then we can change things!!! instead of creating something new!! really clever

[Chroniver]

It's the essence of creating something new man. I would have liked a story based RPG instead of a multiplayer survival game as well, but this is what we got.

The books have written out pretty much everything that happens in the future of the films. So if we're to screw around with multiplayer in the Dune universe, I much prefer a parallel universe that doesn't mess with the other lore.

[Blyss]

you're whining about some seriously stupid things right now. alternate universes have been explored as a concept and used as literary devices for decades. this isn't new. hells, this is a perfectly understandable AU. you're just an idiot, trying to make your complaints have valid points when there was none

[Maximum Effort]

Are you dumb? I am just asking.

[Ignatius]

**Dune Spoilers (from the books)**

I would like to point out that the developers went out of their way to stick to cannon as much as they could. According to cannon, Jessica was ordered to produce only daughters, with the plan to wed one to Feyd-Rautha in order to then produce the kwisatz haderach (one who would have the right balance of genetics to properly assume the role and also be controllable by the Bene Gesserit). Paul "skipped the line," and didn't have the constitution he needed to walk the Golden Path, which is why he eventually lost his resolve and needed to pass the torch to his son (apparently, Chani's fremen genetics were good substitute's for Feyd-Rautha's).

So this alternate universe is really one already suggested in the books, the one that should have happened if Jessica followed orders. They aren't replacing Paul with a woman. Jessica's daughter is not the female kwitsaz haderach. According to the plan, it still would have been a man, but it would have been Leto's grandson, not his son.

The only real difference here is the "no kwitsaz haderach" bit. The devs seem to be eliminating that role entirely in order to open the door to a world in which it makes sense for a huge number of players to acquire spice-powers, and the battle for control over Arrakis is something that can drag on and give us a context in which to play.

I am not altogether thrilled about this change, in particular the "no kwitsaz haderach" bit since it deviates from what the cannon suggests this alternate story line would be...but I can see why it might be necessary to explain the role that the players will have in the game.

So I don't think it is fair to represent this as a simple gender swap for the sake of gender swapping. It isn't even a gender swap so much as a total character elimination, and it is in accordance with a story line already implicit in the books, and it is necessary to give us a context in which to play.

[Ignatius]

I wanted to add that I am also concerned about the line from the latest trailer "the Fremen...exterminated."

What are we to make of this? Are the Fremen people going to be completely wiped out as part of the setup for this game? That seems overboard. I hope the devs don't go in that direction because the Fremen are an awesome and very iconic aspect of Dune.

[markelphoenix]

Originally posted by Ignatius:

**Dune Spoilers (from the books)**

I would like to point out that the developers went out of their way to stick to cannon as much as they could. According to cannon, Jessica was ordered to produce only daughters, with the plan to wed one to Feyd-Rautha in order to then produce the kwisatz haderach (one who would have the right balance of genetics to properly assume the role and also be controllable by the Bene Gesserit). Paul "skipped the line," and didn't have the constitution he needed to walk the Golden Path, which is why he eventually lost his resolve and needed to pass the torch to his son (apparently, Chani's fremen genetics were good substitute's for Feyd-Rautha's).

So this alternate universe is really one already suggested in the books, the one that should have happened if Jessica followed orders. They aren't replacing Paul with a woman. Jessica's daughter is not the female kwitsaz haderach. According to the plan, it still would have been a man, but it would have been Leto's grandson, not his son.

The only real difference here is the "no kwitsaz haderach" bit. The devs seem to be eliminating that role entirely in order to open the door to a world in which it makes sense for a huge number of players to acquire spice-powers, and the battle for control over Arrakis is something that can drag on and give us a context in which to play.

I am not altogether thrilled about this change, in particular the "no kwitsaz haderach" bit since it deviates from what the cannon suggests this alternate story line would be...but I can see why it might be necessary to explain the role that the players will have in the game.

So I don't think it is fair to represent this as a simple gender swap for the sake of gender swapping. It isn't even a gender swap so much as a total character elimination, and it is in accordance with a story line already implicit in the books, and it is necessary to give us a context in which to play.

This.

[identity]

I don't think it was ever stated that this game was going to follow the books. It's just a game with the same universe and a slightly different story so that it doesn't conflict with establiahed canon. I don't see a problem with that.

[Vylqun]

Originally posted by Ignatius:

I wanted to add that I am also concerned about the line from the latest trailer "the Fremen...exterminated."

What are we to make of this? Are the Fremen people going to be completely wiped out as part of the setup for this game? That seems overboard. I hope the devs don't go in that direction because the Fremen are an awesome and very iconic aspect of Dune.

In the discord it was confirmed that there are fremen voice lines that are being recorded, so its safe to assume that the sentence "the fremen, exterminated" is part of the story line but isnt exactly how it is.
They never mentioned in the discord that fremen dont exist, they just always said ppl can't create a fremen and will not really be able to join them. Which also means that they exist in some way.

[Zanaida]

Originally posted by Vylqun:

Originally posted by Ignatius:

I wanted to add that I am also concerned about the line from the latest trailer "the Fremen...exterminated."

What are we to make of this? Are the Fremen people going to be completely wiped out as part of the setup for this game? That seems overboard. I hope the devs don't go in that direction because the Fremen are an awesome and very iconic aspect of Dune.

In the discord it was confirmed that there are fremen voice lines that are being recorded, so its safe to assume that the sentence "the fremen, exterminated" is part of the story line but isnt exactly how it is.
They never mentioned in the discord that fremen dont exist, they just always said ppl can't create a fremen and will not really be able to join them. Which also means that they exist in some way.

I'm pretty sure they made an effort to point out that the Imperium in game will tell you the Fremen were exterminated but that in reality, they are missing. Finding them or trying to find them is part of the game's story.

[Charnel]

So have you ever thought about perhaps seeking therapy for this weird gender obsession you have?
Just move on, it's a game not for you with your strange mentality

[NEON]

I think you're overreacting, it is just fluff for this game.