[TO DEVS] REMOVE AVX2 REQUIREMENT PLEASE!

[Marco888Space]

Please, remove AVX2 instructions requirement, because with all honesty I don't even (from a technical perspective) understand why AVX2 is needed though PLENTY of cutting edge games (like Cyberpunk 2077, an amazing game) DOESN'T NEED AT ALL THESE AVX2 instructions.

What is so specific in your (as I saw in demo videos) NOT EVEN FULLY MMORPG game that starvingly requires AVX2 instructions?

A lot of people with cash and ability to buy newer and better PC as well as those who doesn't have FOR NOW ability to upgrade their hardware WANT TO PLAY GAMES. Want to play GOOD GAMES. And if you want a wider and more active community for your game I think it's a bad idea to impose such strange low level hardware requirements for running your game while many current gen and far more advanced games don't even need this AVX2.

Thank you.

[Mr.Fish]

the core of the min spec ryzen pc for this game can be bought secondhand for barely any more than the cost of the game?

why are you buying £50 games? if you cannot afford £70 pc?

CPU: sub £20 https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=1200+ryzen&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_sop=15&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1

Motherboard: sub £30 https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=b450+motherboard&_sop=15

RAM: £20 https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=ddr4&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_sop=15

put into your case with psu and gpu and shut up about avx2, literally no excuses avx2 is over 10 years old now.

[Vash Baldeus]

Originally posted by Shintai:

AVX2 is over a decade old. Upgrade your ancient CPU instead.

Also the developers can not remove the AVX2 requirement. Its a requirement by the unreal engine.

Intel had AVX2 support since 2013. AMD since 2015.

This fact alone speaks volumes about the state of OP’s computer. Either they live in a country where the economy is completely out of whack, or they’ve chosen not to upgrade for whatever reason.

The reality is, AVX2 has been around for over a decade. Most people have upgraded to hardware that supports it by now—even something from 2017, which you can find fairly cheap these days, would do the job.

My bigger concern would be the netcode, would it be better than Conan Exiles?

[Siameasy]

Originally posted by Marco888Space:

What is so specific in your (as I saw in demo videos) NOT EVEN FULLY MMORPG game that starvingly requires AVX2 instructions?

The world is dynamic as in people can build all over it which means as you drive and fly around the game has to load in huge textures of peoples bases on demand.

AVX2 is used in texture streaming and helps not have pop in of peoples massive bases while your driving/flying about.

[aG| Mudge]

If what I remember with my discussions with Ubisoft on the matter.
AVX2 governs the ability to have video within video (basically PIP) but the AVX2 code is a little different as I and I'm sure many others didn't have a problem with so many other games showing tutorial videos running in the bottom left or whatever.

Sadly though that's as far as my knowledge on AVX goes. But companies do on occasion patch their games to get around the AVX coding. I know Crew 1 and 2 did for me.

[illuser]

Originally posted by jp-787838:

Originally posted by Shintai:

AVX2 is over a decade old. Upgrade your ancient CPU instead.

Also the developers can not remove the AVX2 requirement. Its a requirement by the unreal engine.

Intel had AVX2 support since 2013. AMD since 2015.

M3 Pro is not ancient, it is a 2023 cpu, it is a shame that u write about a topic which u not know

I sincerely doubt Funcom is compiling for arm64 anyway.

[N3tRunn3r]

"AVX2" easily pushes up performance by minimum 50%, especially for the performance-hungry UNREAL ENGINE 5.x . . .

to use "AVX-only" since Unreal Engine 4.x, you suffer heavy low performance in general . . . many coders as well as tech-savvy gamer are glad as UE4 is sort of history, and have migrated (tried to migrate) to UE5 asap . . .

i have never been a fan of the Unreal Engine, except UE1 in UT'99 back in the golden days ... the hype about the Unreal Engine is its simplicity in coding under C/C++ in first case, less about its "brilliant" graphics / shaders (in multiplayer games xD)

while C/C++ is the ultimate top universal language, well, the Unreal Engine suffers under performance and you should need to use an AVX2 system to boost up performance

in the end, to remove the AVX2 requirement for latest Unreal Engine games is a bad idea, since UE4 and especially for Dune: Awakening. a "MP and MMO" game coded in UE5.x

The CryEngine[en.wikipedia.org] ever been best, performance wise, and especially for multiplayer and MMO games and its always adapting graphics and shader. games which were build with the CryEngine 20 years ago still look "lit" today . . .
for example "Aion Classic"[www.aiononline.com] and of course Crysis and FarCry

also one of the today's top gaming engine ever been VALVe's GoldSrc, Source, Source 1.5 and Source2 Engine, which was early built as a Quake Engine "Fork" back in the days . . . just stay far away from CSGO and this experimental CS2 BS . . . CS:Source ever been the best FPS game and it even recently received its 64-bit upgrade, too ..

and you ancient caveman guys should upgrade your machines too . . .

get an i9-12900KS, or wait for upcoming next-gen Intel Core Ultra 9, as the i-series are history too . . .

remind, engines i have mentioned up are not needed to build up 3D or FPS games in general ... you can build 2D and 3D RTS games with them too . . .

if i would need to choose an Engine for 3D games, would go with CryEngine as mentioned, Frostbite[en.wikipedia.org] or Source2

C/C++ || C# || Lua || Python

The Unreal Engine ever sucked and ever been LIMITED ... never understood its hype ... and this ridiculous Java is the very worst of them all . . . (besides annoying JavaScript)

and talking about Engines here .. stick to Mozilla Firefox only .. !!

[Ashrock]

Originally posted by N3tRunn3r:

"AVX2" easily pushes up performance by minimum 50%, especially for the performance-hungry UNREAL ENGINE 5.x . . .

to use "AVX-only" since Unreal Engine 4.x, you suffer heavy low performance in general . . . many coders as well as tech-savvy gamer are glad as UE4 is sort of history, and have migrated (tried to migrate) to UE5 asap . . .

i have never been a fan of the Unreal Engine, except UE1 in UT'99 back in the golden days ... the hype about the Unreal Engine is its simplicity in coding under C/C++ in first case, less about its "brilliant" graphics / shaders (in multiplayer games xD)

while C/C++ is the ultimate top universal language, well, the Unreal Engine suffers under performance and you should need to use an AVX2 system to boost up performance

in the end, to remove the AVX2 requirement for latest Unreal Engine games is a bad idea, since UE4 and especially for Dune: Awakening. a "MP and MMO" game coded in UE5.x

The CryEngine[en.wikipedia.org] ever been best, performance wise, and especially for multiplayer and MMO games and its always adapting graphics and shader. games which were build with the CryEngine 20 years ago still look "lit" today . . .
for example "Aion Classic"[www.aiononline.com] and of course Crysis and FarCry

also one of the today's top gaming engine ever been VALVe's GoldSrc, Source, Source 1.5 and Source2 Engine, which was early built as a Quake Engine "Fork" back in the days . . . just stay far away from CSGO and this experimental CS2 BS . . . CS:Source ever been the best FPS game and it even recently received its 64-bit upgrade, too ..

and you ancient caveman guys should upgrade your machines too . . .

get an i9-12900KS, or wait for upcoming next-gen Intel Core Ultra 9, as the i-series are history too . . .

remind, engines i have mentioned up are not needed to build up 3D or FPS games in general ... you can build 2D and 3D RTS games with them too . . .

if i would need to choose an Engine for 3D games, would go with CryEngine as mentioned, Frostbite[en.wikipedia.org] or Source2

C/C++ || C# || Lua || Python

The Unreal Engine ever sucked and ever been LIMITED ... never understood its hype ... and this ridiculous Java is the very worst of them all . . . (besides annoying JavaScript)

and talking about Engines here .. stick to Mozilla Firefox only .. !!

well... my I9-10980xe still shreds...... not sure I need to replace it.

[Captain Worthy]

Originally posted by Ashrock:

Originally posted by N3tRunn3r:

"AVX2" easily pushes up performance by minimum 50%, especially for the performance-hungry UNREAL ENGINE 5.x . . .

to use "AVX-only" since Unreal Engine 4.x, you suffer heavy low performance in general . . . many coders as well as tech-savvy gamer are glad as UE4 is sort of history, and have migrated (tried to migrate) to UE5 asap . . .

i have never been a fan of the Unreal Engine, except UE1 in UT'99 back in the golden days ... the hype about the Unreal Engine is its simplicity in coding under C/C++ in first case, less about its "brilliant" graphics / shaders (in multiplayer games xD)

while C/C++ is the ultimate top universal language, well, the Unreal Engine suffers under performance and you should need to use an AVX2 system to boost up performance

in the end, to remove the AVX2 requirement for latest Unreal Engine games is a bad idea, since UE4 and especially for Dune: Awakening. a "MP and MMO" game coded in UE5.x

The CryEngine[en.wikipedia.org] ever been best, performance wise, and especially for multiplayer and MMO games and its always adapting graphics and shader. games which were build with the CryEngine 20 years ago still look "lit" today . . .
for example "Aion Classic"[www.aiononline.com] and of course Crysis and FarCry

also one of the today's top gaming engine ever been VALVe's GoldSrc, Source, Source 1.5 and Source2 Engine, which was early built as a Quake Engine "Fork" back in the days . . . just stay far away from CSGO and this experimental CS2 BS . . . CS:Source ever been the best FPS game and it even recently received its 64-bit upgrade, too ..

and you ancient caveman guys should upgrade your machines too . . .

get an i9-12900KS, or wait for upcoming next-gen Intel Core Ultra 9, as the i-series are history too . . .

remind, engines i have mentioned up are not needed to build up 3D or FPS games in general ... you can build 2D and 3D RTS games with them too . . .

if i would need to choose an Engine for 3D games, would go with CryEngine as mentioned, Frostbite[en.wikipedia.org] or Source2

C/C++ || C# || Lua || Python

The Unreal Engine ever sucked and ever been LIMITED ... never understood its hype ... and this ridiculous Java is the very worst of them all . . . (besides annoying JavaScript)

and talking about Engines here .. stick to Mozilla Firefox only .. !!

well... my I9-10980xe still shreds...... not sure I need to replace it.

You don't, it launched in Q4 2019 and as such has full support for AVX2.

Its servicing updates end this year in June though so if you want maximum security you should get a new CPU and build a PC around that.

[N3tRunn3r]

Originally posted by Ashrock:

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well... my I9-10980xe still shreds...... not sure I need to replace it.

Officially Microsoft has lately increased system requirements for Windows 11 "24H2", as a latest update to 24H2 has buffed their Copilot, eating up system resources and performance. So instead an Intel 8th Gen was minimum for W11 24H2, now is an 11th Gen.

Your i9 10th Gen should be fine until EoL of W11 24H2, lets wait for its 25H2 update ..
your machine could "inofficially" support upcoming Windows 11 25H2 but then ends here ...

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2025/

In meantime Windows 11 "23H2" works flawlessly on an Intel i5 6th Gen and upwards easily, but its support of W11 23H2 ends sadly at end of this year .. just as Windows 10 completely.

https://endoflife.date/windows

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-11-home-and-pro

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-11-enterprise-and-education

so even Windows 11 23H2 comes to an end on this year already, which is sad .. !!
W11 24H2 does need "inofficially" a better core than 8th Gen already, 11th officially now ...

i lately had tested Windows 11 23H2 and Windows 24H2 on an Intel i5 and i7 6th Gen . . .
24H2 was heavily lagging performance-wise, while 23H2 works without any issues as mentioned up . . .

well .. Windows users need at least and therefore at best an Intel 12th Gen for next years, up to 2029 ... 13th and 14th Gen need both heavy AiO water cooling system or an undervolt / underclock . . . to prevent heat and thermal throtteling which starts at 90°C and up

or switch to a reliable 64-bit Linux as Arch Linux, Debian, Mint Debian, or even the "limited" Fedora, which are DirectX 12 compatible or at least latest Vulkan compatible . . .

as mentioned here within this thread and in many other threads too, 2025/2026 is a great year to upgrade a machine to latest .. !!


https://steamcommunity.com/app/1172710/discussions/0/595144405227214520/?ctp=2#c595144511835878764

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1172710/discussions/0/595144405227214520/?ctp=3#c595144799751805505

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i am stopping here now to share, copy and re-post my same stuff over and over again ..
at least until the Dune Awakening release . . . these issues do not exist for Dune alone, but for any latest games ... even for these which were released a few years ago .. good luck !!

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[Captain Worthy]

Originally posted by N3tRunn3r:

Originally posted by Ashrock:

. . .

well... my I9-10980xe still shreds...... not sure I need to replace it.

Officially Microsoft has lately increased system requirements for Windows 11 "24H2", as a latest update to 24H2 has buffed their Copilot, eating up system resources and performance. So instead an Intel 8th Gen was minimum for W11 24H2, now is an 11th Gen.

Your i9 10th Gen should be fine until EoL of W11 24H2, lets wait for its 25H2 update ..

In meantime Windows 11 "23H2" works flawlessly on an Intel i5 6th Gen and upwards easily, but its support of W11 23H2 ends sadly at end of this year .. just as Windows 10 completely.

https://endoflife.date/windows

i lately had tested Windows 11 23H2 and Windows 24H2 on an Intel i5 and i7 6th Gen . . .
24H2 was heavily lagging performance-wise, while 23H2 works without any issues as mentioned

Yeah I'm still on 23H2 and blocked the 24H2 update, and Copilot works just fine for me too.

[Teg]

I have the same problem and I hope the devs can make this an optional feature.

[Divine Star Emperor]

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[Silvar]

AVX2 is over 10 year old CPU feature, MAC users are such minority so as dev i would not bother with the hassle if it takes more than couple hours to mkae it work.

And AVX2 compatible processor, mother board and memory on PC costs about the same as this game so there is no excuse it is literally time to upgrade.

Welcome to 2025 yes you will need better hardware since technology evolves.

[Shintai]

Mac people requesting AVX2 removal instead of an ARM port with SME? Hillarious.

Also unless you sit with a Max or Ultra M chip, thats a small niche of mac users, the game wouldn´t be playable graphics wise anyway.