Doomer'ism on Dune Awakening, why?

[UilliamNebel]

Is it a generational thing?

An entitlement thing, like getting back at the developer because you took PTO for the soft release date after prepaying, so now you doom post up the game's discussions (I laughed, laughed so hard, will continue to laugh at those that cry like this. I pre bought as well, I also know release dates are soft)?

If you've played the beta, alright, sure you have views. But also, well, do not believe a lot of you saying you are in the beta and game is terrible (Just like I ignore 'this is the best game ever' beta talk also). Sorry, just past experience has been people prefer a game in the beta, and it gets 'balanced' because of the general crowd wanting changes two days after release because they have no clue why beta players gave feedback that made the game like it was on release from their longer time with it (A state a lot of games stealth go back to overtime anyhow).

So why? I have read polemics and sophistry regarding the IP, but frankly you can't be taken seriously if that is your thing. Saying Dune is a weak IP just says you like what you like, think everyone else should like what you like, and you are likely slowly dying alone one day at a time because you are insufferable and have zero social skills or relevance. Sorry, it is true.

Have seen all manner of complaints, on graphics quality, saying UE 5 is trash. Uhm, okay. That is even more stupid than the weak IP.

Have seen the 'It is Conan Exiles redone in Unreal Engine 5', which is a 'And?' sort of inflection point. CE is a great game, play it all the time still, and would really likely enjoy a variation of it, in Unreal 5, to explore another IP I love with some of its own unique mechanics. So not sure how this is much of a criticism. Like seeing someone say 'The new Stingray Corvette is still a Corvette.' That doesn't say anything on the Corvette, it is not clever, or intelligent. It is just something like a toddler would say when crashing out.

I have liked what I have see so far, from a lot of sources. I do not know if the game will be good, great, or just CE + with sand worms. I am rather hopeful it will be though. I've not seen anything very substantive to say it will be bad, other than a bunch of circling about Chicken Little'isms of the release date being moved.

So why all the black pill takes here?

[OneNineDeepSilence]

You really want to know the answers, or just want these things to stop? It's just how humans are: can keep growing up even past 100 year old, and we still kids. Not just because we enjoy playing games, that's the least childish, but we keep making mistakes and learn slowly from them, or don't learn at all. The brain is just too weak to process well too many things at once, so we specialize in a few and know nothing about the rest (or spec in none and so on).

And no, it's not a "generational" thing. It's always been like this. Also always some older people had these lines of "the current generation younglings" are like this and that and so on. Just some. It's just a form of tribalism, we and them, the red vs. blue. Some young people do it too, teen age is most famous of rebelling against the adults, just because reasons (or no reasons). But not all teens of course.

Why this game is taking a hit? Why not? As long the criticism is valid, should be welcome. Shows there is interest. Potential market. It's like free publicity. And the game won't die or succeed based on comments. The expectations are varied. Some just want something that this game is not, so they are not happy. Others are just in bad mood, or just like being negative. And so on, all these clashing when the opinions and interests are very different and they can't deal with emotions and all that brain activity. Welcome to planet Earth, enjoy your stay. And that joke: "Nothing to see here, just move on" (not really, but the brain likes to do some exercise in futility, now and then).

[Menzagitat]

Originally posted by UilliamNebel:

Is it a generational thing?
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I laughed, laughed so hard, will continue to laugh at those that cry like this. I pre bought as well, I also know release dates are soft

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[Belinos]

This game is like Conan Exiles with a different skin and some different nuances to be able to call it a MMORPG secondary to a Survival Game. I think a lot of people have the thought and expectation that this is going to play like a mmorpg and it will have massive warfare like WoW or T&L or any other mmorpg that has servers that can handle a ton of players at once. So instantly when they start to realize this wont be playing to the expectation they have, they believe it will fail or it's a waste of time, doom and gloom.

If people lowered their expectations, looked at funcoms latest game, and understood that they are so similar. Itll be a little better version of Conan Exiles. Tadaaaaa.

Amazon Games was said to be making a LOTR game. Look at New World, and imagine LOTR with some better things than New World has, tadaaaa.

Games that are successful are going to copy their current model and roll with it. Its just the way it works.

[Shintai]

1. Game threatens another game, must fail.
2. Some random nobody streamer said game would fail.
3. Game didn´t copy x, y, z from another game, must fail.
4. Can't buy because of age limit, must fail.
5. Game "fails" in hope of points farming.

And so on and on ;)

[Clyan]

makeing predictions based on criterias that you can compare to other failed titles isnt doomerism.
there are too many big titles that have dissapointed gamers in the recent years and it has become obvious what to look out for.
building up hype generally is a big indicator for a product that the devs and publisher know isnt good enough to sell well on its own. so they invest into marketing to cash in big time at its release, knowing perfectly well that it wont do well in the long run. why else would you launch people into an obscene mass hysteria over a game?

imageine cyberpunk didnt have its marketing and would have been released onto the market. now think of how fast the word spreads. it would have been a financial distaster.

[DjohDjeen]

Don't over think this. It's the interwebs...

HYDRATE!!!

[Manchine]

Because haters don't touch grass enough.

[Zenwolf]

Originally posted by Shintai:

1. Game threatens another game, must fail.
2. Some random nobody streamer said game would fail.
3. Game didn´t copy x, y, z from another game, must fail.
4. Can't buy because of age limit, must fail.
5. Game "fails" in hope of points farming.

And so on and on ;)

You forgot some or my favourites:

This game is Woke, must fail
This game has Root level Anti-pirating and anti-cheat software, Must fail.

[Captain Worthy]

It's not a generational thing, it's a Steam forums thing. All long time developers accumulate fanbases over time, but the same goes for deranged haters and trolls(which is different from normal critical feedback). Then there's the usual astroturfing paid by the competition too.

Most online forums become like this over time.

[elrosx]

Sir this is a Wendys

[Couch Guy]

Originally posted by Belinos:

This game is like Conan Exiles with a different skin and some different nuances to be able to call it a MMORPG secondary to a Survival Game. I think a lot of people have the thought and expectation that this is going to play like a mmorpg and it will have massive warfare like WoW or T&L or any other mmorpg that has servers that can handle a ton of players at once. So instantly when they start to realize this wont be playing to the expectation they have, they believe it will fail or it's a waste of time, doom and gloom.

If people lowered their expectations, looked at funcoms latest game, and understood that they are so similar. Itll be a little better version of Conan Exiles. Tadaaaaa.

Amazon Games was said to be making a LOTR game. Look at New World, and imagine LOTR with some better things than New World has, tadaaaa.

Games that are successful are going to copy their current model and roll with it. Its just the way it works.

Game is nothing like Conan.

[Couch Guy]

Originally posted by Zenwolf:

Originally posted by Shintai:

1. Game threatens another game, must fail.
2. Some random nobody streamer said game would fail.
3. Game didn´t copy x, y, z from another game, must fail.
4. Can't buy because of age limit, must fail.
5. Game "fails" in hope of points farming.

And so on and on ;)

You forgot some or my favourites:

This game is Woke, must fail
This game has Root level Anti-pirating and anti-cheat software, Must fail.

I like the root level part. People think that's a bad thing for games to prevent cheating. And somehow act theres a better way then through system root. Then they complain about cheaters lol.

[Valravn Black]

Wow this thread is an echo chamber of shills. Have any of you "intellectuals" considered that maybe people are being "doomers" about the game, because the developer has a bad track record? Or maybe because 90% of game releases these days are failures, that don't deliver anything that customers actually want?

Conan was a hot mess of a game. Its dead now, basically, but right up until the end it was a constant disappointment to fans who just wanted it to be awesome and thrive. The devs constantly ignored players criticism of the game, and the game died.

This game will probably do the same. Not because the IP is bad (Dune is pretty cool), or because people like to complain. But because of the same reason many games flop these days. Developers simply don't care about what their customers want anymore. There's no connection between the consumer and the producer. These companies put out slop, and think that because their games sold ok in the past, they'll continue to sell ok in the future.

But then again, we have people like you lot. Who create straw man arguments and hurl insults at people who have legitimate concerns. People like you lot, who pre-order games without a care in the world.

And so the cycle continues. The downward spiral of sludge that falls inward under the weight of its own corruption, until the steaming excrement collapses and flushes down the toilet of market failure, leading to the closure of studios, the firing of skilled and experienced developers, and the eventual death of the gaming industry.

[Arlojmikk]

Originally posted by OneNineDeepSilence:

the red vs. blue.

just like the show........

[Cyanade]

No such thing as a soft release date.

You are here contributing even less than the people complaining about it at least they have a reason.