Oh dear, what have you done

[Big_Dee]

Ok, there are some questionable decisions that have been made with this.

Firstly, you have messing with Dune, and whilst i apprechate at the time you started it was fashionable to murder Starwars, and such like, that is no longer the case

You seem to have ditched cannon all together, shields? ground vehicles, worms that can sense thopters and fly out of the ground to catch one, only to sink in to the sand as if the sand wasn't there.

The whole intro story about Jessica’s following her orders and having a girl, but we have Paul, who is seeing this path and somehow something is leading to us the player being the only hope.

From what? Perhaps i missed it but i dont really understand or follow the plot, is / was Paul alive or not, if not then you REALLY need to pay more attention to the intentions of the Bene Gesserit which i dont think you did, because they should have united the two houses with Feyd Rautha that their child should have been the Kwisatz Haderach.

That being said House Harkonnen would still have taken over and kicked Atreides arse since she would have been too young and the Emperor him self helped the Baron enact revenge

No paul means no Leto II or Ghanima meaning no Golden Path soooo, that basically puts the Bene Gesserit back in the driving seat that should have made things more stable, for a while.


I dunno, seems like a bit of a lack of insight in to the series, someone clearly thought oh look lets do this probably as part of some female empowerment stunt. Though im interested how they would have navigated Axlotl tanks. Never mind what the actual real and likely threat of Omnius or its following.

Anyhow, that all aside, when did we go back to using Quake III, Source Engine, hell even the LithTech Engine rang some bells. Not impressed with it, i assume this is made for consoles.

Unless you can iron out the daft story line and excise any work nonsense that may have infected it, i doubt ill buy it based on what i have seen

[LONELY_jerboa_RU]

Publicado originalmente por Big_Dee:

The best thing they could have done is not to try mess with a story line that was deeply interwoven over tens of thousands of years.

Then it would be a completely different game ;)

[Big_Dee]

Publicado originalmente por LONELY_jerboa_RU:

Publicado originalmente por Big_Dee:

This story suggests he is looking at a possible future where it was a female that was born and not him, trouble is, he isn't apart of that possible future because he wouldn't have been born so he couldn't see it.

He could play a rather daft game of "what if" but he couldn't see that future any more then he could see a future where Omnius wasn't created.

Of course. The trailer says "what if...". The developers used the images in Paul's head in the trailer so that players would understand that there is no original plot in the game (in fact, it is a "sandbox").

What you have to appreciate is that Dune has a following that transcends the movie goers. We know the books, have read them all countless time and so when some 20 something kid comes along and tries to make a quick buck we are likely to poke holes in it.

There was a way they could have avoided this and that was by not talking about timelines at all and focused on a narrow period of time that had 4 factions on Arrakis.

But they didn't do that, and they didn't do it because much like Hollywood, they have to inject their own nonsense in to it such as the "Girl power" blar blar blar.

There is a reason star wars turned to crap, i suspect Dune will go the same way if its left in the hands of people who don't care.

[Big_Dee]

Publicado originalmente por LONELY_jerboa_RU:

Publicado originalmente por Big_Dee:

The best thing they could have done is not to try mess with a story line that was deeply interwoven over tens of thousands of years.

Then it would be a completely different game ;)

Yes, different in the sense it would make sense.

But it could live in the same universe on Arrakis

[Noneya]

Publicado originalmente por Entropic Mushroom:

Publicado originalmente por Big_Dee:

yeah, did those, approx 50fps on a 3070

You cannot expect top tier graphical fidelity on the current build of UE5 with a mid-range card that's two generations old now. It's a simple as that.

I have the same card and can run the game in ultra with no issue soo.. maybe you guys should stop “upgrading” when there’s literally no need to. Same with stalker 2, elden ring, arma, KCD 2. Literally my entire library can be run in ultra with my 3070.

[Jeremoople]

Publicado originalmente por Big_Dee:

Publicado originalmente por LONELY_jerboa_RU:

Of course. The trailer says "what if...". The developers used the images in Paul's head in the trailer so that players would understand that there is no original plot in the game (in fact, it is a "sandbox").

Which then falls in to the second trap

the "What if" Scenario is already known because the Bene Gesserit already had that plan in action.

The Duke would have died as in the actual timeline as was the wish of the Emperor and the Baron, the dukes daughter would have been wed to the Barons Feyd Rautha, they would have had a son that would became the Kwisatz Haderach which the Sisterhood would have controlled, they would have then shaped humanity on their own path, one more unified, controlled with a more conservative evolution.

So again, the events depicted in this game do not make any sense however you spin it.

The best thing they could have done is not to try mess with a story line that was deeply interwoven over tens of thousands of years.

You may just be overthinking this. I've also read the Dune books, but this is a non-canon survival MMO that will likely be light on story. Funcom isn't trying to rewrite the Dune lore, they're trying to make a fun game set on Arrakis while the Dune IP is enjoying a period of heightened popularity. All your complaints would be alleviated if you simply stopped treating this game like it's supposed to be a cornerstone of the lore.

I also have no idea where you're getting the "girl power" thing from.

[LONELY_jerboa_RU]

Publicado originalmente por Big_Dee:

Yes, different in the sense it would make sense.

Well, that's beyond the scope of this game's discussion.

[Big_Dee]

Publicado originalmente por Jeremoople:

You may just be overthinking this. I've also read the Dune books, but this is a non-canon survival MMO that will likely be light on story. Funcom isn't trying to rewrite the Dune lore, they're trying to make a fun game set on Arrakis while the Dune IP is enjoying a period of heightened popularity. All your complaints would be alleviated if you simply stopped treating this game like it's supposed to be a cornerstone of the lore.

I also have no idea where you're getting the "girl power" thing from.

The issue is that the Dune IP is popular just now but we have seen what happens to other franchises in recent history and they get gutted because people who do not understand it decide they can just change fundamentals and no one will care, its the thin end of the wedge and That has never gone well with any franchise.

Creating a Dune game is not a problem, just stay away from story lines that make no sense in that universe.

The girl power comes from my prediction that the meeting that came up with this daft concept probably went along the lines of the meme, "put a chick in it, make her gay." its not based on any single factual point, other than the impossible idea Paul could see that future he didnt exist from the intro trailer. Which even with What if thinking, wouldnt make any sense either.

[Big_Dee]

Publicado originalmente por LONELY_jerboa_RU:

Publicado originalmente por Big_Dee:

Yes, different in the sense it would make sense.

Well, that's beyond the scope of this game's discussion.

it didnt have to be that way is the point. All they have to do is cut the Paul and Alt-Paul out of the story arc.

Set it in the narrow time frame where 4 factions would be playable and extend the "war" where the Duke was ultimately killed. you could even do it post the Dukes death with remnants of House Atreides fighting against sardaukar. harkonnen and Fremen

[LONELY_jerboa_RU]

Publicado originalmente por Big_Dee:

All they have to do is cut the Paul and Alt-Paul out of the story arc.

There is no Paul in the game, none.
A girl was born instead of Paul! )
Well, we are not the developers' managers to say what should/shouldn't be in the game.

[Jeremoople]

Publicado originalmente por Big_Dee:

Publicado originalmente por Jeremoople:

You may just be overthinking this. I've also read the Dune books, but this is a non-canon survival MMO that will likely be light on story. Funcom isn't trying to rewrite the Dune lore, they're trying to make a fun game set on Arrakis while the Dune IP is enjoying a period of heightened popularity. All your complaints would be alleviated if you simply stopped treating this game like it's supposed to be a cornerstone of the lore.

I also have no idea where you're getting the "girl power" thing from.

The issue is that the Dune IP is popular just now but we have seen what happens to other franchises in recent history and they get gutted because people who do not understand it decide they can just change fundamentals and no one will care, its the thin end of the wedge and That has never gone well with any franchise.

Creating a Dune game is not a problem, just stay away from story lines that make no sense in that universe.

The girl power comes from my prediction that the meeting that came up with this daft concept probably went along the lines of the meme, "put a chick in it, make her gay." its not based on any single factual point, other than the impossible idea Paul could see that future he didnt exist from the intro trailer. Which even with What if thinking, wouldnt make any sense either.

Well that's just silly. Neither of us were behind-the-scenes, but your "prediction" is a baseless assumption. This is a multiplayer game where everyone makes their own characters. You don't have to play as a woman if you don't want to. Funcom needed to come up with an explanation where every player can be equally important in a world that's still recognizable as Dune despite inconsistencies with the books. The vast majority of players aren't going to nitpick how a cinematic trailer contradicts the lore.

[Big_Dee]

Publicado originalmente por LONELY_jerboa_RU:

Publicado originalmente por Big_Dee:

All they have to do is cut the Paul and Alt-Paul out of the story arc.

There is no Paul in the game, none.
A girl was born instead of Paul! )
Well, we are not the developers' managers to say what should/shouldn't be in the game.

And your point is what exactly?

There is a paul in the trailer and the the alt paul covers your scenario as well,

A girl being born in the Dune universe instead of paul was the original plan and so there is already a storyline that covers it, none of which is in this game.

[Big_Dee]

Publicado originalmente por Jeremoople:

Publicado originalmente por Big_Dee:

The issue is that the Dune IP is popular just now but we have seen what happens to other franchises in recent history and they get gutted because people who do not understand it decide they can just change fundamentals and no one will care, its the thin end of the wedge and That has never gone well with any franchise.

Creating a Dune game is not a problem, just stay away from story lines that make no sense in that universe.

The girl power comes from my prediction that the meeting that came up with this daft concept probably went along the lines of the meme, "put a chick in it, make her gay." its not based on any single factual point, other than the impossible idea Paul could see that future he didnt exist from the intro trailer. Which even with What if thinking, wouldnt make any sense either.

Well that's just silly. Neither of us were behind-the-scenes, but your "prediction" is a baseless assumption. This is a multiplayer game where everyone makes their own characters. You don't have to play as a woman if you don't want to. Funcom needed to come up with an explanation where every player can be equally important in a world that's still recognizable as Dune despite inconsistencies with the books. The vast majority of players aren't going to nitpick how a cinematic trailer contradicts the lore.

Its an assumption based on current trends in both movie and game industry which is more then this game is doing to following the Dune Universe, there for its not baseless. Whether its true or not is a legitimate question but as i said, patterns in prior projects would suggest my prediction is not unfounded.

As for the vast majority of players not nit picking over the fact they butchered the story.

Thats irrelevant. the point is that some players which actually follow the story will be less likely to buy they game and that could have been avoided.

[Rhoklaw]

The trailer clearly shows Paul Atreides. He clearly narrates the entire trailer and explains a lot of "what if's" which is what the game entails. A bunch of what if's.

[LONELY_jerboa_RU]

Publicado originalmente por Big_Dee:

And your point is what exactly?

There is a paul in the trailer and the the alt paul covers your scenario as well

Point of what?
What other scenario of mine?

[Captain Worthy]

Publicado originalmente por Big_Dee:

Publicado originalmente por Jeremoople:

Well that's just silly. Neither of us were behind-the-scenes, but your "prediction" is a baseless assumption. This is a multiplayer game where everyone makes their own characters. You don't have to play as a woman if you don't want to. Funcom needed to come up with an explanation where every player can be equally important in a world that's still recognizable as Dune despite inconsistencies with the books. The vast majority of players aren't going to nitpick how a cinematic trailer contradicts the lore.

Its an assumption based on current trends in both movie and game industry which is more then this game is doing to following the Dune Universe, there for its not baseless. Whether its true or not is a legitimate question but as i said, patterns in prior projects would suggest my prediction is not unfounded.

As for the vast majority of players not nit picking over the fact they butchered the story.

Thats irrelevant. the point is that some players which actually follow the story will be less likely to buy they game and that could have been avoided.

All Dune video games have always been just loose interpretations of the books & movies.