Oh dear, what have you done

[Big_Dee]

Ok, there are some questionable decisions that have been made with this.

Firstly, you have messing with Dune, and whilst i apprechate at the time you started it was fashionable to murder Starwars, and such like, that is no longer the case

You seem to have ditched cannon all together, shields? ground vehicles, worms that can sense thopters and fly out of the ground to catch one, only to sink in to the sand as if the sand wasn't there.

The whole intro story about Jessica’s following her orders and having a girl, but we have Paul, who is seeing this path and somehow something is leading to us the player being the only hope.

From what? Perhaps i missed it but i dont really understand or follow the plot, is / was Paul alive or not, if not then you REALLY need to pay more attention to the intentions of the Bene Gesserit which i dont think you did, because they should have united the two houses with Feyd Rautha that their child should have been the Kwisatz Haderach.

That being said House Harkonnen would still have taken over and kicked Atreides arse since she would have been too young and the Emperor him self helped the Baron enact revenge

No paul means no Leto II or Ghanima meaning no Golden Path soooo, that basically puts the Bene Gesserit back in the driving seat that should have made things more stable, for a while.


I dunno, seems like a bit of a lack of insight in to the series, someone clearly thought oh look lets do this probably as part of some female empowerment stunt. Though im interested how they would have navigated Axlotl tanks. Never mind what the actual real and likely threat of Omnius or its following.

Anyhow, that all aside, when did we go back to using Quake III, Source Engine, hell even the LithTech Engine rang some bells. Not impressed with it, i assume this is made for consoles.

Unless you can iron out the daft story line and excise any work nonsense that may have infected it, i doubt ill buy it based on what i have seen

[Quagimus Decimus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Captain Worthy:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rhoklaw:

When comparing this game to the books, try to think of it as a lazy Marvel writer and just say, "multiverse" to fix all your poorly written / need for balance issues. The reason they didn't follow the lore of the books is because that forces you into a narrow path or direction, which leaves players in a much limited state of progression.

Then you end up with 90% of the players wanting to play the Fremen. It would be like making a Star Wars game where everyone plays a Jedi. Sounds fun, but that isn't even close to Star Wars canon.

No this is not at all like the multiverse writing of Marvel(and boy do I know Marvel). This is Paul Atreides, the Kwisatz Haderach observing what might have been. It's not an alternate universe that would actually exist somewhere, it only existed as a possibility. We're but a dream.

I see no problem for the game to exist in that dream. It would be far worse breaking of the lore if the game presented the same events as the books and movies and we could somehow influence those, making the outcomes different.

Makes sense, all that spice makes for some wild dreams.

[Captain Worthy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rhoklaw:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Captain Worthy:

No this is not at all like the multiverse writing of Marvel(and boy do I know Marvel). This is Paul Atreides, the Kwisatz Haderach observing what might have been. It's not an alternate universe that would actually exist somewhere, it only existed as a possibility. We're but a dream.

I see no problem for the game to exist in that dream. It would be far worse breaking of the lore if the game presented the same events as the books and movies and we could somehow influence those, making the outcomes different.

Well, alternate timelines are basically another universe, because if you branch off of an existing timeline, that doesn't stop the original timeline from existing, but they are still separate from one another. I'm not an expert about it by any means, but as far as I know, timelines are just alternate universes.

Alternate timelines are hypothetical alternate universes, but they only exist as possible quantum wave functions. Kwisatz Haderach sees these for the past, present and future and can observe(and only observe) them without collapsing the wave function. Regular people can't observe the wave function without collapsing it, our choices only create one path and one universe. The choice we didn't take, never happened.

[Rhoklaw]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Captain Worthy:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rhoklaw:

Well, alternate timelines are basically another universe, because if you branch off of an existing timeline, that doesn't stop the original timeline from existing, but they are still separate from one another. I'm not an expert about it by any means, but as far as I know, timelines are just alternate universes.

Alternate timelines are hypothetical alternate universes, but they only exist as possible quantum wave functions. Kwisatz Haderach sees these for the past, present and future and can observe(and only observe) them without collapsing the wave function. Regular people can't observe the wave function without collapsing it, our choices only create one path and one universe. The choice we didn't take, never happened.

Like I said, not an expert. I was going by the Loki series which seem to indicate that timelines existed in unison to one another as parallel universes.

[Captain Worthy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rhoklaw:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Captain Worthy:

Alternate timelines are hypothetical alternate universes, but they only exist as possible quantum wave functions. Kwisatz Haderach sees these for the past, present and future and can observe(and only observe) them without collapsing the wave function. Regular people can't observe the wave function without collapsing it, our choices only create one path and one universe. The choice we didn't take, never happened.

Like I said, not an expert. I was going by the Loki series which seem to indicate that timelines existed in unison to one another as parallel universes.

Yeah that's how Marvel does it, there they have actual parallel universes and can travel between those, but that's not the same as observing the quantum wave functions and making choices between which ones to collapse so that it becomes the reality.

[Rhoklaw]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Captain Worthy:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rhoklaw:

Like I said, not an expert. I was going by the Loki series which seem to indicate that timelines existed in unison to one another as parallel universes.

Yeah that's how Marvel does it, there they have actual parallel universes and can travel between those, but that's not the same as observing the quantum wave functions and making choices between which ones to collapse so that it becomes the reality.

That makes me think of Dr. Strange using the Time Stone to view 14,000,000 different timelines and choosing the best one, which meant giving up the Time Stone.

[Gleitfrosch]

I think staying too close to the books would limit the possibilities too much. In the end it is the world and its technology / environment that I am interested in.

[Captain Worthy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rhoklaw:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Captain Worthy:

Yeah that's how Marvel does it, there they have actual parallel universes and can travel between those, but that's not the same as observing the quantum wave functions and making choices between which ones to collapse so that it becomes the reality.

That makes me think of Dr. Strange using the Time Stone to view 14,000,000 different timelines and choosing the best one, which meant giving up the Time Stone.

Remember that the MCU multiverse did not even exist back then as the TVA(Seen in the Loki show) was still doing their thing. Dr. Strange wasn't traveling to parallel universes with the time stone.

[Indigo_Sun]

If the nuclear reaction had been left in do you really think that the average player is mature enough to not rage-nuke??
Man, people have the emotional maturity of a 3yr old in gaming, so yes, get rid of that mechanic so we can actually play a game.

[Big_Dee]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rhoklaw:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Captain Worthy:

No this is not at all like the multiverse writing of Marvel(and boy do I know Marvel). This is Paul Atreides, the Kwisatz Haderach observing what might have been. It's not an alternate universe that would actually exist somewhere, it only existed as a possibility. We're but a dream.

I see no problem for the game to exist in that dream. It would be far worse breaking of the lore if the game presented the same events as the books and movies and we could somehow influence those, making the outcomes different.

Well, alternate timelines are basically another universe, because if you branch off of an existing timeline, that doesn't stop the original timeline from existing, but they are still separate from one another. I'm not an expert about it by any means, but as far as I know, timelines are just alternate universes.

Still struggle with that, Paul can only see forward, so its impossible to see a future without him since that future didn't exist.

Again if they had thought about it a bit more, they could have done something interesting with an alternative Universe, some sort of multiverse where Paul from one interacts with his counterpart in another. I mean it still wouldn't have been the daughter but could have been her son which was the intended Kwisatz Haderach

[Big_Dee]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Captain Worthy:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Rhoklaw:

Well, alternate timelines are basically another universe, because if you branch off of an existing timeline, that doesn't stop the original timeline from existing, but they are still separate from one another. I'm not an expert about it by any means, but as far as I know, timelines are just alternate universes.

Alternate timelines are hypothetical alternate universes, but they only exist as possible quantum wave functions. Kwisatz Haderach sees these for the past, present and future and can observe(and only observe) them without collapsing the wave function. Regular people can't observe the wave function without collapsing it, our choices only create one path and one universe. The choice we didn't take, never happened.

Except he can only see HIS past, not a past of another timeline

[Big_Dee]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gleitfrosch:

I think staying too close to the books would limit the possibilities too much. In the end it is the world and its technology / environment that I am interested in.

I agree, so they shouldnt have gone anywhere near the story arc in the books.

Its a fun academic exercise to figure this and i guess if they hadnt (in my opinion) screwed up the storyline we wouldnt be having this discussion but for me to rip myself out of the Dune Universe i know in to something i know cant happen (in my opinion) its just going to put me off getting the game - I wont be alone in this

[Captain Worthy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Big_Dee:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Captain Worthy:

Alternate timelines are hypothetical alternate universes, but they only exist as possible quantum wave functions. Kwisatz Haderach sees these for the past, present and future and can observe(and only observe) them without collapsing the wave function. Regular people can't observe the wave function without collapsing it, our choices only create one path and one universe. The choice we didn't take, never happened.

Except he can only see HIS past, not a past of another timeline

Kwisatz Haderach sees the past of his ancestors too, both female and male. And all possible futures.

[Big_Dee]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Captain Worthy:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Big_Dee:

Except he can only see HIS past, not a past of another timeline

Kwisatz Haderach sees the past of his ancestors too, both female and male. And all possible futures.

Yes this is true, but he can only see and interact with the memories of those in his direct linage or should a sister share with another sister, her linage as well. So the time line remains true, he cant recall memories back to a timeframe that he was not apart of directly or indirectly. As to seeing forward, he can only see forward from his frame of time, meaning he has to be alive in order to see his future.

This story suggests he is looking at a possible future where it was a female that was born and not him, trouble is, he isn't apart of that possible future because he wouldn't have been born so he couldn't see it.

He could play a rather daft game of "what if" but he couldn't see that future any more then he could see a future where Omnius wasnt created.

That being said, he could and likely did see a future where the true enemy came back, which might have ultimately led Leto II on to his golden path.

[LONELY_jerboa_RU]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Big_Dee:

This story suggests he is looking at a possible future where it was a female that was born and not him, trouble is, he isn't apart of that possible future because he wouldn't have been born so he couldn't see it.

He could play a rather daft game of "what if" but he couldn't see that future any more then he could see a future where Omnius wasnt created.

Of course. The trailer says "what if...". The developers used the images in Paul's head in the trailer so that players would understand that there is no original plot in the game (in fact, it is a "sandbox").

[Big_Dee]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von LONELY_jerboa_RU:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Big_Dee:

This story suggests he is looking at a possible future where it was a female that was born and not him, trouble is, he isn't apart of that possible future because he wouldn't have been born so he couldn't see it.

He could play a rather daft game of "what if" but he couldn't see that future any more then he could see a future where Omnius wasnt created.

Of course. The trailer says "what if...". The developers used the images in Paul's head in the trailer so that players would understand that there is no original plot in the game (in fact, it is a "sandbox").

Which then falls in to the second trap

the "What if" Scenario is already known because the Bene Gesserit already had that plan in action.

The Duke would have died as in the actual timeline as was the wish of the Emperor and the Baron, the dukes daughter would have been wed to the Barons Feyd Rautha, they would have had a son that would became the Kwisatz Haderach which the Sisterhood would have controlled, they would have then shaped humanity on their own path, one more unified, controlled with a more conservative evolution.

So again, the events depicted in this game do not make any sense however you spin it.

The best thing they could have done is not to try mess with a story line that was deeply interwoven over tens of thousands of years.