This game will fail

[リアンダ]

As a former Conan Exiles player I'm convinced that this game will most likely massively underperform. There's a couple of reasons for it.

1.) The Dune IP is pretty weak:
Most people seem to think that the brandname Dune will help sell this game but I don't think so. Dune has always been a relatively niche franchise with a limited audience of hard sci fi nerds. The recently released Dune movies were the most mainstream and most accessible interpetation of the franchise in decades but they only saw moderate success and weren't able to create a noteworthy ripple in pop culture. Whatever momentum Dune had it will be long gone by the time this game is released.
2.) Poor monetization:
I bought Conan Exiles back in Early Access, played it for hundreds of hours, then dropped it shortly after they introduced the battle pass system. The pricing of Conan Exiles is atrocious and given that Tencent owns Funcom I expect Dune to have a similar or even more predatory monetization system. Unlike Conan Exiles there will be very little player goodwill and player attachment to this game though so most players won't put up with its horrible monetization.
3.) The setting of Dune is a bad choice for an open world game:
While Dune offers a wider universe Arakis is what most players associate with the franchise and where most of the gameplay will take place on. Arakis is unfortunately a pretty dead desert. There's no biodiversity, no unique biomes, no interesting native cultures beyond the Fremen. It's a world that is fun to explore for a few hours in a singleplayer game but not a good setting for an MMORPG as it becomes repitite rather quickly.
4.) No edgy enough:
This may be a bit of a weird point but I believe Conan Exiles did sell well due to being notoriously edgy on release. ♥♥♥♥ sliders, dragging captured slaves back to your camp, gore and nudity at every corner. It played perfectly into the fantasy of being a barbarian in prehistoric times that are as far removed from your boring office job as humanly possible. Dune will most likely be massively toned down in pretty much all of these aspects removing what used to be a mayor selling point for Conan Exiles and attracts a huge Roleplay Community to the game to this day.

Let me know if I missed any points and whether you agree or disagree. Have a wonderful day.

[Nut]

"Whatever momentum Dune had it will be long gone by the time this game is released."
Just be honest and admit you pissed it is taking long to come out.

[リアンダ]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Nut:

"Whatever momentum Dune had it will be long gone by the time this game is released."
Just be honest and admit you pissed it is taking long to come out.

I will buy it the day Funcom removes MTX from Conan Exiles.

[Mini-Man]

Damn, 700+ million is moderate success to you?
Collective budget = 355 million
Collective box office = 1.1 billion

Yes it isn't Disney or LOTR, but Dune has never been as popular as it is now, might even say that if we look past the money, Dune is in better standing with people than modern LOTR (Rings Of Power), Star Wars or current marvel movies other than Deadpool and Wolverine :)

[Mick Savage]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mini-Man:

Damn, 700+ million is moderate success to you?
Collective budget = 355 million
Collective box office = 1.1 billion

Yes it isn't Disney or LOTR, but Dune has never been as popular as it is now, might even say that if we look past the money, Dune is in better standing with people than modern LOTR (Rings Of Power), Star Wars or current marvel movies other than Deadpool and Wolverine :)

Sure if you ignore the thousands of angry reviews with legitimate reasons for hating what they've done to Dune. The main group of people who support it are the progressives because they love it when tiny females throw big men around. Doesn't matter that is makes zero sense, it appeases them lol

That's what amounts to art for the progressives, just swap out the men for women and make lots of statements about how men screw everything up. Then swap out all the white folks and it's an instant hit with progressives lol

[リアンダ]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mini-Man:

Damn, 700+ million is moderate success to you?
Collective budget = 355 million
Collective box office = 1.1 billion

Yes it isn't Disney or LOTR, but Dune has never been as popular as it is now, might even say that if we look past the money, Dune is in better standing with people than modern LOTR (Rings Of Power), Star Wars or current marvel movies other than Deadpool and Wolverine :)

Cinemas take 50% or more of the box office (up to 80% in china where the movie did well) so the 1.1 Billion is not even close to what makes it into the pockets of the studios. Marketing is not included in the budget either and is ususally almost as high as the production budget itelf. Then there's taxes, interests that have to be paid back for investors. It's common knowledge that movies need to make at least twice their production budget just to break even, 2.5 to be seen as okay and only when they get into 3x production budget you'll see studios greenlight sequels. My guess is Dune is slightly above that 2,5 margin. Just barely enought to warrant a sequel but only one at a time in order to minimize risks. If the movies were smash hits they would have immediately greenlight a trilogy since it's a lot cheaper to produce these movies in one go rather than moving the entire production crew back and forth.

And yeah I agree that Star Wars and Marvel aren't the smash hits they used to be but Marvel movies would break the 1 Billion mark regularly ( on a 100-200 mio budget) and so would every Disney Star Wars movie except for Han Solo. Btw Han Solo is the only SW movie that lost money. Box office was 392 mio while the budget was 275 mio. Just as an example of how box office and budget can't be compared 1:1.

[Sardaukar]

Game looks very good. Day 1 buy for me. Find me in PvP title owner. This way I can show you how beautiful the game is.

[Mick Savage]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hillman:

Game looks very good. Day 1 buy for me. Find me in PvP title owner. This way I can show you how beautiful the game is.

And this is exactly why most gamers, including PvP types like me, will avoid this disaster.

Already we're seeing the hyper toxic posts from PvP types who can't wait to ruin someones day with exploits\cheats\base camping and all around bad behavior.

[Sardaukar]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mick Salvage:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hillman:

Game looks very good. Day 1 buy for me. Find me in PvP title owner. This way I can show you how beautiful the game is.

And this is exactly why most gamers, including PvP types like me, will avoid this disaster.

Already we're seeing the hyper toxic posts from PvP types who can't wait to ruin someones day with exploits\cheats\base camping and all around bad behavior.

I suggest you do some research on the game before making a counter argument. There is no PvP force in the game. There is only PvP in certain areas. Those who want to can PvP, those who don't can't. There is also no base raid. There is only base raid at the end of the game, which is not the main base but the border base.

Also, if you don't want to play the game, don't play. There are plenty of people who will play the game and take your place. You're not special.

[Mick Savage]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hillman:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mick Salvage:

And this is exactly why most gamers, including PvP types like me, will avoid this disaster.

Already we're seeing the hyper toxic posts from PvP types who can't wait to ruin someones day with exploits\cheats\base camping and all around bad behavior.

I suggest you do some research on the game before making a counter argument. There is no PvP force in the game. There is only PvP in certain areas. Those who want to can PvP, those who don't can't. There is also no base raid. There is only base raid at the end of the game, which is not the main base but the border base.

Also, if you don't want to play the game, don't play. There are plenty of people who will play the game and take your place. You're not special.

I've been following since day one and the entire end game is PvP.

Unless the player wants to play just 10% of the game for the money spent, they won't have to PvP, but if they have any interest in end game content they will HAVE to PvP.

And yes there are base raids, you need spice to protect it from raids and its on a timer. The only place to get spice is in the deep desert where the PvP is ...lol

Basically nothing you said it true because all of it requires PvP. All these lies are meant to entice PvE players as fodder for the exploiters and cheaters. The worst kind of PvPers...

[Unrealtairo]

Of course it will fail

- MMO instead of Online dedicated servers with mods
- People already hate funcom because of what they did to Conan
- No one trusts these turds
- No private coop = no buy for like 50% of the people checking the game instantly.

The other 50% will drop out fast for the other reasons. This was a complete waste of time making.

They must have hired the devs from Skull & Bones

[リアンダ]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Unrealtairo:

Of course it will fail

- MMO instead of Online dedicated servers with mods
- People already hate funcom because of what they did to Conan
- No one trusts these turds
- No private coop = no buy for like 50% of the people checking the game instantly.

The other 50% will drop out fast for the other reasons. This was a complete waste of time making.

They must have hired the devs from Skull & Bones

They completely ruined Conan for me whith the bazaar. I used to buy every DLC except for riders of hyboria (I don't liek to use mounts). I spend hundreds of hours just building nice looking castles with my wife. Now they excpet me to pay 20USD for as single outfit when it used to get me like 20 building pieces,3 armors, 5 pets and a bunch of decoartive placeables. Nah, I think I'm good. Even as a huge fan of Conan their monetization is justr to greedy and it's gonna be worse with Dune. They will do tome sort of FOMO Bazaar and probaböy do some sort of temporary thing that you need to rebuy over and over again on top of that. Yeah thanks but no thanks.

[itchiebutt]

To be fair, it also depends on other factors. Like who in the studio is working on the game. Just because they did something in Conan doesn't mean it will be a thing in Dune.
Companies fire, layoff, and hire new talent all the time this can easily change how a game could have been.

Tencent is one of those Hit or miss companies when it comes to their games. The new Delta Force game is being made by companies owned by Tencent. It will be free to play with their campaign being a paid thing. I personally don't care if they monetize the hell out of this game because it's a first person shooting game and skins don't matter in the end.
Since it is an FPS you can't even see your operator skin.

[iSurvivedRKelly]

Must be pretty boring hey. Note: Don't take OP to parties.

[methoz84]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ShakingZealot:

I'll let you in on a secret... every FC game has always failed because of FC... I've been playing them for over 16 years and it's always the same ending from their side...

[VhagarTheLastOne]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ShakingZealot:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cyberpunker:

Chances are high, Skull and Bones, Redfall, LOTR etc didnt last long. I was simply amazed how dead Skull and Bones was just 3 month in. Even Diablo 4 is at 22k player, Funcom might get 10% of that, like 2.2k player.

I think they should do something out of the box like NFT/Crypto. NFT rewards should attract at least some players?

The mayority of D$ players are most likely on battlenet and not steam but othe rthan that I agree.

Vessel of Hatred Trailer got less than 200k view on YouTube, its coming down.

I really think its time for NFT/Crypto. They dont have to do it launch but when most of have left. Slowly add NFTs, like 1k per month etc, as NFT increase, so does the playerbase.